?Vaccine or Negative Test Required to Attend UM Games Starting 1/1/22

Hopefully they're recovering well. The vaccine helps people recover and not get hospitalized, in addition to preventing some people from getting infected at all. I had a family member who was boosted get covid a couple weeks ago, but recovered quick and felt fine after five days. She was really glad she had gotten the vaccine to help avoid serious illness. You do not want to get this without having had a vaccine, it is much more likely to hit you hard. 

Ohio blue blood, unless you know 330 million people, your “data” is just anecdotal. All of the data and surveys are showing that 70-80% of all people testing positive, hospitalized or dying are Unvaccinated. 

I don't put a ton value on anecdotal evidence when we have better evidence available, but I'll give you my personal experience.  I am 42 years old, at a healthy body weight, exercises regularly, and am fully vaccinated.  My wife is 32 years old, at a healthy body weight, exercises regularly, but has chosen not to get vaccinated.  So, we make an interesting case study with a tiny sample size.  We both tested positive for Covid about 10 days ago.  She had typical cold symptoms like headache, congestion, runny nose, cough, for about a week and lost her sense of taste for 3 days or so.  I never had any symptoms.  This shows a few things.  One, the vaccination was good at preventing symptoms for me.  Two, the vaccine did not prevent me from getting Covid.  Three, not getting vaccinated made my wife's symptoms much worse than mine.  Four, her symptoms were still mild and nothing I'd be concerned about.  Do with that as you will.

Straight from Faucis mouth the drop in days was so we don’t have so many people out of work at the same time. Either the CDC is being irresponsible and favoring industry in having us drop our isolation time with a more contagious strain, or they see that the virus has mutated to the point of being less dangerous

Now the vaccines are mutating? That is some grade A science!

He edited from “vaccines keep mutating” to “virus keeps mutating”.  I knew what he meant… Just a little joke. People are getting edgy. 

I'll be clear and say I've been fully vaccinated and boosted.  However, to say that nobody ever claimed this vaccine would prevent infection is 100% false.  I suppose you could claim no "credible source" ever said that, but it's pretty clear that the goalposts have moved all over the place during the pandemic - from Fauci to the CDC to the WHO.  And yes, I understand that as we learn more, hypotheses and guidance have to be updated - THAT is science.  It still shocks me how many people think that the opinions of doctors and scientists are actually "science."

As someone who is boosted and very pro-vax, I don't think it helps the cause to claim that "no one ever claimed" it prevented infection.  The early tests on these vaccines absolutely were looking at infection and transmission, the data supported positive views on severely reducing infection/transmission, and that data was widely trumpeted.  Over time, the data on infection/transmission have changed (and we have now have data about how long the protection lasts).  And yes, we have new variants which also change the reality on the ground (especially with respect to transmission).  Rather than attempt to re-write history, which gives skeptical folks reason to not trust you, it is better in my opinion to explain that yes, initially we believed and hoped that these vaccines would greatly limit or prevent infection/transmission and early data supported that, but we have more information and data now, and while the vaccines might not limit or prevent infections/transmission to the same extent that we originally hoped, they are still very significantly reducing severe disease and death.   

Good Lord - how is this so freakin' hard to grasp:  a vaccine does not flat out prevent infection.  

No one ever claimed it did

Yes they did.  Many have claimed that precisely.  This is one of the problems with coercion and bad messaging that leads to public distrust.  

I cannot understand someone giving a ticket checker a hard time about a policy they have nothing to do with.  This current atmosphere of being a "prick" because of "personal freedom" is painful to watch.  I know it has always been a thing, but really feels more prevelant in the last few years.  

Not sure when decency became a weakness, but I hope it is a trend that quickly passes.