US should have a 'couple hundred million' doses of a Covid-19 vaccine by the start of 2021 Facui says
Just sharing a bit of good news re: COVID-19 as previous estimates that I had heard on a vaccine were late 2021.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/health/fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-2021/index.html
That's too bad, I was hoping all of the mouth breathers, and 'no hand washers' would benefit from a culling of the heard. (or those holding COVID parties)
Is this sarcasm? Or were you genuinely hoping for people to die?
What make, model, and year vehicles do you currently have in your garage? (This will in fact help me answer your question...)
Stop needlessly antagonizing everybody.
Sincerely,
Everybody
Next time you'd like to inspect my prostate please use your tongue!
If an M grad can't recognize simple sarcasm... you've got a bigger problem with your education there than I'd initially expected.
You seem like a fun person (I take it you can detect the sarcasm there with your world class sarcasm detector)
I don't care if it was "sarcasm" or not, it was dumb.
Excuse me for missing your sarcasm - you come across as hateful and abusive in the vast majority of your posts and you are typically disdainful of most people. So it wasn't a big leap for some of us to think that you actually wouldn't be bothered by the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans. Even if you weren't serious, it was unnecessarily dickish. And then of course you went on to make some weird tough-guy comment about the cars in CB's garage and then resorted to bashing Michigan's academics. I mean, why? What's the point? Just chill the f--- out and stop picking fights on here.
People that have that much anger are generally just very unhappy by nature. It’s tough to do but you should probably feel sorry for them.
It's regrettable you can't handle my 'directness' but unfortunately that's how you get through all of the bullshit (and my bullshit meter maxes out here) that's woven on this site. You've proved my point, you ARE willing to actually open your ears and close your mouth for a few moments (rare in an M grad... since you seem to want to keep moving your lips to prove how intelligent you aren't).
Of course I don't approve of killing millions on a whim or via willful misconduct... but I also don't approve of legislating to the lowest common denominator because people haven't been raised properly, and then listen to political nut-jobs like yourself blame it on politics (right or left). I think it's disgusting that the president of the free world has to keep reminding people to wash their hands and wear a mask in public (WTF & SHIT?).
You sir, live in a country where people... yes "WE THE PEOPLE" believed that cell towers caused Covid 19 (now mind you that's a small percentage of tinfoil hat wearing morons...but they're out there). We have groups of people having "Covid Parties", they're doing it as a science experiment to create antibodies, or just because they want the attention; need I mention the "toilet bowl licking challenge"...so yes I have no use for people like that, our public education system isn't that bad folks... and if I'm wrong, and it is... then we've got an illness in our society much worse than media/politics/pandemic all together.
Furthermore, the point in asking an irrelevant question was asking the question in the first place, c'mon keep up bruh, that's why I asked about the cars in his garage... he KNEW I wasn't serious. So he played stupid, then tried to play smart... I just chose the option of treating him like he was stupid!
GET A THICKER SKIN!
This is some real bizarre jibberish.
Don’t you mean that the president has to remind people not to wear a mask?
I think you're on the wrong message board. Maybe apply your vast intelligence, wisdom, and apparently copious free time to starting your own?
I guess you just had to be “that guy“, couldn’t wait to be the first one to begin the shitshow. You win, Mr CleverPants
Yeah that's The Cube's thing, man.
With the number of anti-vaxers this should be enough for everyone.
Vaccination is based on the homeopathic principle, which I think is correct, so strictly speaking, I'm not an anti-vaxer.
Nevertheless, it would behoove one to do a little research about what they're offering as a vaccine. It's not a true vaccine, it does not provide an inert covid-19 virus to provoke an immune response (vaccine research for corona viruses has failed miserably). What they are offering is based on new mRNA technology, injecting genetic material in the body with the idea it will instruct the immune system to create antibodies for it (technically, this is what the body does already).
Now, mRNA tech is new and there are no major applications of it at this time. Essentially, everyone receiving this type of vaccine is a guinea pig for a scientific experiment. If you approve of being an experimental subject, by all means, have at it. For myself, I choose not to, and I think it's a very rational response.
I recently saw a poll, 48% responded they are not interested in a vaccine produced so quickly, so I'm hardly alone.
Yet you're willing to eat McDonalks, Wendy's, Chipotle, other fast foods on a daily basis, included processed cheese, chips, crackers, from your local market.
You're my hero!
What's wrong with Chipotle again?!
Other than the E.Coli?
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ohhhhh, I see. That was sarcasm.
I'm more interested in the vaccine being produced by the Oxford group, which has been working on coronavirus vaccines for more than a decade.
However, I am excited about the new vaccine technology that has been developed in the States, particularly around administration. It's 2020, we shouldn't have to administer vaccines to children (and scared adults) via giant needles. I'm an MD and I hate needles! Someday, vaccines will be administered as patches, which have micro-needles, to slowly deliver the dose over the course of a couple weeks. Parents will be able to self-administer the patches on a schedule they see fit. It could be a game-changer, unless people just find a new thing to be worried about with regards to vaccines...
'Vaccination is based on the homeopathic principle'
no it's not, it is based on vaccine immunology. this link is a great source of information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068582/
'Essentially, everyone receiving this type of vaccine is a guinea pig for a scientific experiment.'
clinical trials are underway already. only if the vaccine pasts various stages of the clinical trial will it be available for the public.
BOO!
I boo you and your facts and rational thoughts.
BOO!
What is the long term range of those clinical trials, though? There is literally nothing the FDA approves that doesn’t have a long term study component and this surely will not. To try to invalidate skepticism over things like this as irrational is actually, and ironically, the irrational position.
define long term. how many years do you want.
and can you also explain why x years compared to y years is better or worse?
More than zero?
it is more than zero already. numbers exist between 0 and 1.
No one wanted you to write this.
Sincerely,
Everyone
My family will also not be getting any type of COVID vaccine they come out with. Neither me or my family is in the at risk population and would rather build an immunity to it naturally, not thru a crap shoot vaccine where we have no idea of the long term impacts.
I am not an anti vax person but I am selective based on what disease you are trying to treat. I also do not get the flu shot because my body can fight the flu and build immunity. When I am 65-70, I will probably get it but until then, I'll let my body do what it was built to do.
This is why most older people did not have huge reactions to the swine flu... they had already been exposed to one 50 years ago.
Most people in general didn't have adverse reactions to the swine flu, not just older people.
I just found out that my 33 year old cousin had a covid induced stroke. She was in great health and just had a baby a few days months ago.
The stroke was sudden, and she didn't know she had the rona until they tested her at the hospital.
So yeah, I'll be getting a vaccine for this thing when, or if, one is available.
You are free to get the vaccine just as I am free to not get it. There are one off adverse reactions to just about everything. You stated she didn't even know she had COVID until they tested her. Was the stroke cause by corona or did she have a stroke after childbirth (not common but happens) and just happen to have corona? Childbirth is no joke medical wise.
I have a friend that had a stroke after childbirth in her late twenties. She was super healthy and it was a fluke. Stuff happens. I am not saying it wasn't 'caused' by corona but are you sure it was? My brother in law is a doctor and they are making them list the cause of death as corona even if they were symptom free and died of heart failure, heart attack or something else age related.
What's the basis for your belief that immunity acquired via "naturally" acquired viruses is superior to immunity acquired via those you're exposed to via vaccine?
I have no belief that it is superior. I just believe that I am healthy and I choose to let my immune system do what it was designed to do. Why eat sugar vs artificial, why eat organic vs processed? I am just choosing to let my body function as it should while I am healthy.
Agree.
organic is a method of cultivation. processed food is a method of cooking, baking or preparing food in general. organic vegetables can be processed into chips. that's a false dichotomy.
i am understanding your 'let my body function' as an appeal to nature. getting a vaccination is allowing you to stay healthy so your body will function as it should in a pandemic.
why wear a jacket out in a windy breeze when your healthy body can withstand it naked?
I go to one of the top hormone doctors in the United States(best thing I've ever done for my health). He left the standard medical industry about a decade ago because he was upset with how pharmaceutical industry completely runs the way doctors operate now.
He's the healthiest doctor I have seen despite being 50 years old. I could go on and on about his reputation and credentials but anyways he runs a concierge service and he told all of us that he does not advise getting a covid vaccine shot for a variety of reasons and he's not an anti-vaxer
Think you're going to see lots of people not take vaccine.
Did he say why he was against taking the vaccine?
He said I'm not taking it and said it strongly.
A concierge “hormone doctor” that left the standard medical industry? If that sentence doesn’t frighten you, you’re probably too hopped up on testosterone.
They are still going through trials—meaning those three phases are guinea. Moderna claims to have produced antibodies in trial subjects in their first phase and are now starting phase 2. Changing the way to produce bodily reaction doesn’t mean it isn’t a vaccine. Is it disconcerting that things are being rushed? Yes, but at some point an advanced society should be able to advance the timelines for application of scientific discoveries. They’ve been working for ten years on coronavirus vaccines for other outbreaks, but the funding for those went down once those epidemics were controlled or localized. I recently read that 70% will take the vaccine—polls are polls, especially when vaguely referenced.
Three phases in... less than a year? Yeah... about that...
Thank you for trying to explain why there is some degree of trepidation about the new "wonder" vaccines that they are touting for COVID. At this point in time I am not too excited about being the firs tin line for the "cure". There have been attempts at curing disease that end up with something worse (think thalidomide) for a segment of the population. I would like more time for the unintended consequences to manifest themselves
Yes. I think the more your knowledge of science, the more your knowledge of how science can go wrong. My wife and my father are MDs (UM Med school!), I've worked in two national laboratories, we vaccinate our kids fully - but we'll be very, very cautious with how we approach this. Haven't made any decisions yet. I hope it turns out to be awesome. But right now, I think hesitation on the consumer's part is the most prudent course.
I am sure I am not alone but is this not alarming? That is really quick in terms of creating, testing and distributing a vaccine.
Could be considered quick, but they have testing and protocols they have to follow before it will be approved for public comsumption. I seriously doubt they skip any processes that are required.
I thought the same thing, but recall some discussion in a different thread that the accelerated timeline has more to do with the financial risk being removed for the developers and manufacturers through govt support vs the medical risk accepted being higher. Would like to hear from those with knowledge though.
EDIT: and see below in this very thread for an explanation
The Trump admin will happily skip any and all safety requirements just for a PR victory. They've already shown that.
Yes, no offense to Dr Fauci, who's doing a good job in very trying circumstances, but consumers can't even readily buy basic virus protection (e.g., disinfecting wipes; hand sanitizer) in stores and it's June---we're going to have discovered & developed a safe *and* effective highly complex medical product that can be manufactured, priced, distributed, and injected in patients in 7-8 months?
That would be awesome, but nothing suggests we have a system set up to do that. And if he's just talking about "we'll have the doses manufactured by end of 2020" that will be hard enough. But it's not enough to have the stuff in a warehouse somewhere--it's got to get to patients.
To give an idea, look at remdisivir distribution: that was for just a few hundred thousand vials for a drug that made a small (but meaningful) difference, and we screwed that up (though now it has been fixed). Can you imagine the organizational skills it will require, under tremendous political pressure, that will occur when we try to do this at 150 times the volume for an extremely high demand vaccine? Which states get it first? Which people (teacher? cops? nurses? politicians?) get it first? Who pays for it?
I like optimism, but we've got a long way to go regarding the vaccine.
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/after-reports-of-chaos-and-confusion-white-house-announces-new-plan-for-remdesivir-distribution/