Uraguay vs Ghana
Suarez, the modern day Maradona with the Hand of God for the win. Wow. Fucking insane.
he got a red card and don't believe he'll be playing the next game. Also Maradona was on offense, not trying desperately keep the ball out of the back of the net.
That's one of the most painful things I have ever seen
Make that shit OT
I don't think there will be much topical confusion about 'Uraguay vs Ghana' and its relationship to the University of Michigan.
Crazy game. Whatta finish...
for rooting against Ghana. What a heartbreaking loss for those guys.
I was really pulling for Ghana to win. Would have been great for Africa if they could have won the Cup.
I wish suarez played the semifinal so Netherlands could snap his femur in two. Uruguay, on that play, gave Gyan a flying kick to the ribs, and then volleyball spiked the ball out of the net. Glad to see cheating is rewarded - again.
I didn't see the flying kick, but honestly that play by Suarez was brilliant. He got penalized for it in accordance to the rules, but he kept it out of the net and made them earn it with a slightly more difficult shot. Heartbreaking for Ghana, but that was a genius play. You can't just let that go in. Keep it out, by any means, and take the consequences.
My heart goes out to Ghana, but that was a great play by Suarez.
It's "briliant" in the most gutless way possible. The cheaters won. Yay.
How many times do you see a defensive back about to get beat and take a pass interference penalty to save a touchdown? This is the equivalent of doing that on the last play of a game, followed by a goal-line stand (aided by the crossbar in this case). Suarez saved the day for Uruguay. Good for him.
Perfect comparison. That is exactly what he did. I don't get why people think he cheated. He knew what the consequence would be, and paid for it. It worked for him and his team.
A perfect comparison would contain a foul that is viewed as an equally severe violation of the rules. Comparing the punishment for pass interference with the punishment for this foul shows which one is considered a more egregious violation. In assessing the hand ball, the impact of the violation is not all the matters. The severity of the violation matters as well. Additionally, knowing what the consequences are and accepting them does not necessarily make the decision to commit the violation acceptable.
A simple example can illustrate both of these points. Imagine a college football player running down the sideline with nobody having a chance to catch him. What if a member of the opposing team who is on the sideline sticks out his foot and trips the player? He knows the consequences of his action (15 yard penalty, ejection, and likely suspension), but he does it to save a touchdown. The impact of the trip is the same as the pass interference penalty. Would this be a brilliant play? I imagine most people wouldn't think so.
In my opinion, what unfolded today was in between the above scenario and the pass interference scenario. Whether or not you're okay with it is, in the end, a judgement call. I, for one, am conflicted.
Are you imagining a pass interference call where the DB takes down the WR in the open field? How about in the end zone, causing the ball to be placed at the one? That is pretty equivalent, no?
I, for one, am conflicted.
Valid, guess I was just wondering if he was only considering the open field versus endzone side of things. It's not probably a 100% perfect example, but it's about 95%.
get automatically ejected and suspended for the next game?
All red cards are an automatic ejection and at least a one game suspension. The red card offense in this case was denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by handling the ball (when not the goalkeeper in the penalty area).
Until I figured even a wide-open receiver in the end zone could still drop the ball or make the catch out of bounds. In this case, it's literally hands down a goal. The better analogy is to goaltending in basketball. That should have been the result. How to make the rules reflect that is beyond my soccer expertise.
Except that Suarez was indeed playing, not coming from the bench or anything...
So coming off the bench like that is an infraction that violates the integrity of the game to such an extent that it is unjustifiable, regardless of whether the player saved the game for his team. It seems that some feel the same way about Suarez's violation.
Suarez: the modern day Eddie Brown
The way i see it it's like commiting pass interference with no time on the clock, thus saving a sure game ending touchdown, you'll have to defend one more play from the one yard, but it's worth it, about the flying kick and the broken femur, i kind of agree, great play none the less.
Edit:beaten to it, but the feeling remains the same
I suppose you're also against the intentional walk, intentional foul, and as already mentioned, pass interference.
Oddly, I'm for goaltending in basketball.
I'd rather a guy be overly aggressive than passive, and allow shots over him too.
as long as you do them with your feet, no problem w/ them at all.....
The appropriate penalty was assessed. It's not cheating. The Ghanian player missed the PK. Why is this a hard concept?
complete shite
Check your world cup history... You couldn't be more wrong
It was no time for reckless goalkeeping, but, as the final seconds ticked off, Vanole left his goal area to intercept a crossing pass out front. He'd made that play thousands of times, all over the world, but this time the ball eluded him, giving Costa Rica's Alvaro Solano a shot at a wide-open net. The ball seemed certain to be rolling in, just as the game clock was striking :00. But Trittschuh alertly dove and used his hands to halt the ball at the goal line. The Costa Ricans complained that the ball did in fact crawl over the line, but the referees ruled no. There would instead be a penalty kick -- straight at Vanole. (link)
The U.S. likely would not have qualified for the 1990 World Cup without such a gutless, cheating effort.
we did it so it can't possibly be wrong?
it's instead a part of last-ditch defense work that has historically been used, even by the Nats... something that about 90% of the people complaining probably don't realize and instead think is just some sinister mechanism used by the dredges of the world
I don't understand. So - the US soccer team ALSO did something I think sucked. And? That makes me...wrong?
Clearly, enough people disagree with me, which I can accept - specifically the comments about a PI call in football. But this doesn't make sense to me.
and an obvious foul/grab to hold the guy. happens all the time in playoffs where someone gets a pick, gets past his man and has his shoulder literally yanked to keep him from getting past. guy still has to make his free throws, etc. this already happened by Ghana against Australia. what it seems to be, to me, is that you thought this was an irregular, unique event and not something that occurs in desperate times. is it how the game should be played? no. is it a smart play rather than the concession of a goal? yes. the U.S. was forced to do it and was not derided so severely. i would surmise you wouldn't consider it so awful if it was landon donovan diving across. it just often becomes insidious when it's "some other country," hence my point.
the adjectives you used to describe it were a bit dramatic also.
1. If we're talking hoops, as I noted, I'd compare to a goaltending - as it's almost literally the same thing. The punishment is different.
2. I'm not familiar with the play you're referencing, but I think if I was a US fan and saw Donovan do that, I'd feel pretty sheepish about the whole thing, and if Donovan gave an interview about how he made "the best save in the tournament", I'd probably hate him.
3. The nationalities involved truly don't really matter to me. I just think it's a sort of bitchy way to win.
Did you have as big a problem with the dive that gave Ghana the opportunity in the first place (should never have even been a free kick)? Suarez broke a rule, was caught, and was punished in a manner that virtually assured Ghana the victory. Cheating didn't cost them the game, missing penalties did.
Awesome game. Neither team seemed to want penalties and they were both going for it.
I feel really bad for Gyan, missing that penalty at the end of extra time must have been devestating.
What a ridiculous ending! After Ghana got that BS penalty kick against the US in 2006, along with all of their flopping at the end of this year's US-Ghana game, it's great to see them choke in the most painful way imaginable. I'm feeling an incredible amount of schadenfreude right now.
very intense game and crazy one too.
It was a great game and I even enjoyed the penalty kicks portion. IMO even the Group games should have penalty kicks as opposed to a 6th tie breaker of long straw advances. However the sportsmanship of this game leaves something to be desired. The mouthing to officials is unbearable with what seems little if any consequence results from the abuse The rolling around the ground like a gunshot victim during any incidental contact and that as a strategy (as Ghana used with a lead against USA) is dispicable. I understand much rides on the game and I can handle emotion but soccer is a bit over the top as these guys do not handle losing like a man. I will watch again in four years but that is about all I want to see of the rest of the worlds game.
For sheer improbability, that goes down as one of the most dramatic endings I've ever seen in any sport. Two guys who work for me are from Ghana and it was an absolutely crushing way to lose. But I have to hand it to the World Cup: despite awful refs, debatable rules, flopping galore, etc., it's a terrifically entertaining event.
Best thing about watching soccer: no commercials!
I really feel for the Ghanaians, it's always awful going out on penalties, and that finish made them experience the pain twice.
Let's hope tomorrow can match today excitement.
Good, serves Ghana right after the flop fest they put on at the end of the game against the US. Nothing more frustating than a team stalling in the most classless way possible and the ref not even attempting to keep the game moving at the appropriate pace. Fuck em.
blackhawks suck
It's odd, I could have sworn this topic was about soccer.
you suck