Update on '16 OT Commit Swenson
Yesterday, it was reported by Spath and Fishsaw that Swenson may not end up in this class.
It appears Wiltfong has now relayed the same information.
Apparently, this isn't Swenson waivering on his committment, this is coming from the Michigan side of things due to lack of development on the football field over the last couple seasons.
My take:
I'm on board with most of what Harbaugh does. And it's my belief that most things that are best for the Michigan football program are best for Michigan. However, this does not sit well with me at all. Swenson committed and stayed committed through everything. He was absolutely 100% loyal. Harbaugh re-affirmed his scholarship and was glad to have him on board when the class wasn't filling up.
Now it's two weeks before signing day, and suddenly he hasn't been progressing enough to be a part of the class. Maybe he knew a little while ago, but that isn't much time either. This doesn't sit well with me. This may be best for the Michigan football program for the short term, but this isn't what is best for Michigan. Loyalty, in my eyes, still means something, and while I understand some of the guys getting pushed out (either they waiver, they were told up front, etc), Swenson doesn't sit right.
And don't get me wrong, there are always reason to rescind scholarships (grades, off field issues, etc), but a guy not developing at your expectations when you had the choice to offer him a scholarship early or not (or rescind it earlier when he wasn't developing as you expected) is part of the risk/reward in recruiting.
This guy was loyal through all of that, loyal when Hoke (his coach) was fired, loyal when Michigan had no coach, and loyal once Harbaugh was hired. It was Harbaugh's choice to stick with him at the time, and he did. He still should now.
So yeah, I'm not on board with this from Harbaugh if true. It doesn't sit well to me at all. But about all that means is this post on this board, so it's whatever. Still don't like it though.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^
Whole heartedly agreed. Harbaugh should just do the right thing here, even if it costs us to do so. People pay attention to this stuff, maybe not as much as the W/L record, but we don't need OSU and MSU starting a "Harbaugh is shady" meme. Make no mistake, they will do that. With glee.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^
he has more than 2 weeks. Signing day isn't a deadline but a beginning of the period as I'm sure you know. He can take a couple monthe to do visits and re-evaluate things if needed. Options may be more limited yeah, but not like he's 100% screwed if not signed in 2 weeks somewhere.
January 19th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^
classes fill up and he might not have a spot at a school he likes.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:23 PM ^
So where do the players sign up to get paid their weekly salaries?
January 19th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
... I get the loyalty part, but when I was an undergrad, I had a merit based partial scholarship offer. I chose to check out my senior year and my grades suffered. Then my scholarship was rescinded because I didn't merit it. What you do, and how you develop, matter.
A lot depends on how the overall communication went down since Harbaugh took over. If this is the first time Swenson was told, that's not handling it well. It still doesn't change the fact that his performance, in the eyes of the decision makers, does not merit a full scholarship to Michigan.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^
Grades are black and white numbers, much easier to deal with.
I don't think there were any hard numbers he needed to hit with his development as a player. Unless he was told that he must be a first team all-american and he only made it to second team, everything is just eye-balling.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
So I get how this affects Swenson. But how does this sit with you, personally?
January 19th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
Not surprised since I saw Swenson is following the OLine coaches at Iowa and Northwestern a few weeks ago.
This is part of the problem of the "Transition". Hoke guys may not have the same staying power as Harbaugh's guys in Harbaugh's system. The other Hoke guys have left too - Dele Harding, Messiah DeWeaver and Swenson is the last remaining one from this class if I recall correctly.
Timing is rough, but Swenson is talented and it seems like he will find another top team to go to.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
Yep, I agree with you Space Coyote. Harbaugh made clear that there were no guaranteed 5th years: every year is a competition. Well, if that's how he feels about scholarships, that should have been made clear too. Because I never, ever have heard a whiff of anyone saying, "If you committed under Hoke, we may or may not honor that commitment. You need to prove yourself to us." Swenson could have done things a lot differently in the Fall (in terms of OV's, etc.) if he knew that his scholarship was in jeopardy.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^
It has nothing to do with whether the kid committed to Hoke or Harbaugh. They have cooled on kids that the current staff offered and received a commitment from: Weaver, Enis, Scott...
January 19th, 2016 at 5:06 PM ^
you and the OP have an honor bone that is based on innuendo. The twitters and MGoBlog don't know all.
Swenson doesn't wan't to play for a coach who doesn't want him. He will realize that and move on if he wasn't told that to his face.
Commits taken this early are silly - especially for linemen whose development is years away when they matriculate.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
I really don't
January 19th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
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January 19th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
And that's why I have no issue with coaches still recruiting other prospects, particularly when guys committed to your school are taking visits elsewhere (Hoke's real policy, he didn't take scholarships away, he just said you weren't a commit).
I have no problem with schools/coaches protecting themselves or kids doing the same with decommitting and going elsewhere. I have a problem with pulling the rug out from someone after two years of loyalty when that person would have likely done things very differently if he understood the situation.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
I don't like the argument that recruits are flaky so it's okay for coaches to be flaky back. One reason I don't like it is that coaches are the adults in the picture and should act like it. A second, bigger reason is that not all recruits are flaky. If we do this to Nate Johnson, who's visiting other schools and giving quotes that begin with "If I decommit...", then I get it. Swenson hasn't pulled any of that stuff, though, and deserves better.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
Unfortunately we are only getting one side (which may not be fully accurate at that) of the story, but if true I agree highly disapointing way to handle affairs.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
I've been preparing for this. My change of tune now that we're doing some of this stuff.
Unless we stop doing it. Then it's bad.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 4:35 PM ^
You have no compass. You need one.
January 19th, 2016 at 6:51 PM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^
don't think anybody has enough information to judge this as criticallly as you are except the parties involved. I am not saying it wouldn't be some degree of wrong to just pull the scholarship if he could no longer perform at the level expected when he committed but I think you are having to jump to a lot of conclusions to write a "scathing" commentary like this.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
It seems odd since he is still a 4 star and was an All American.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
Swenson seems like a good kid from a good family, but he has traveled the Marvin Robinson path of an early-developing kid that loses in comparison as others catch up. These kids don't drop too far due to the ranking sites not wanting to look too bad on their early Evals.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^
doubt very much he has M-Rob's abs, though.
January 19th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
Honestly, the way I see it, is that recruiting is an ugly, dirty business. There are worse things than potentially pulling a scholly more than 2 weeks away from signing day before he is on campus. I will grant you that I am not enthused by it, but I am also not particularly upset.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
Think of it as an opportunity not a commitment made by the University when offering potential scholarships.
Much like a job offering, you still need to complete the process post offer - in the business world this may mean passing drug test, back ground checks, etc. For college sports it means continuing to remain eligible academically as well as growing skill set at the sport.
Regardless of how much the prospect remained loyal to the offer, the University still needs post offer analysis before finalizing the deal. I personally have no issues if an offer is made and later revoked, both sides must follow through on the process, just extending or receiving an offer isn't enough.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^
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January 19th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
This is one of the problems with coaches being unable to comment on recruits. There is no way to know the real story.
When it's our coach, we give him the benefit of the doubt. When it's somebody else's coach, we are skeptical. In both cases, we simply do not know.
It reminds me a bit of Daishon Neal saying that Mattison called him stupid. Maybe Mattison did say something that was tone-deaf. Maybe he didn't. We have no way of knowing.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:47 AM ^
The real story here according to insiders is nothing more than "he's not getting better as an OT". Not complicated unless you're referring to timing (i.e. when Swenson had the uncomfortable conversastion with the coaches, if at all).
January 19th, 2016 at 11:47 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
i agree with this. there are 2 sides to every story and when one side is gagged we will not hear the same story. that being said, swenson is classy enough to not be saying much. so lets let the story play out on both sides to make any judgements....
January 19th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
Also if the rumors are correct Swenson may end up at NW; so I am guessing this isn't a complete last-minute revelation to them.
Harbaugh is going to push the limits and exceed some of our tolerances for "proper" decorum in recruiting. In the end I do not expect Jim or M will ever go full-SEC and the winning will soothe any ego bruising that occurs along the way.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
Serious question - I'm not being sarcastic: is the real world any nicer than this? People are let go or have job offers rescinded all the time simply because they don't fit in or they aren't good enough at their job. To me, expecting this guy's scholarship offer to be honored simply because he "stuck through it all" seems on the same level as a participation trophy. But I'm open to other people's opinions if they disagree with that take.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
this is more like if you were offered a job in a different state, stopped taking other calls for potential jobs, jumped in the ole Geo Tracker and moved to take the job after renting an apartment only to learn that it was no longer available.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
He hasn't even signed his LOI, let alone been on campus for a while. Yes, he stopped taking calls but it's not like there aren't going to be other great schools that need offensive linemen.
January 20th, 2016 at 9:08 AM ^
Your son has a chance to play big time college football. He was offered a scholarship and has been committed for two years. Then less than a month before he signs, the school tells him he needs to look elsewhere. Now your son has to find a school, probably has limited opportunities cause most schools have filled up ther Oline spots and your son might have to go someplace he doesnt want to or play for coaches he hasnt gotten to know. Its more like that.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
Amazing how everyone on this board is all about only getting one side of the story now. Didn't seem to make that argument when criticizing other schools based on what recruits said. Maybe Mike Weber was told before his commitment that the rb coach was interviewing, we only got one side of that story too.
January 19th, 2016 at 12:12 PM ^
Agree completely. I think as a whole we're no different than any other fanbase out there. Meaning we're a completely hypocritical batch who will gladly justify anything our team does and furrow our brows when another team does it. We knew Harbaugh could be kind of a dick, he tweets definitely-not-cryptic messages like he's some bitter teenager while talking about acting like a man, but he's our juvenile, maniacial, (and most importantly), successful football coach so we're all good with it.
Swenson isn't the only commit that Michigan has mysteriously stopped returning calls for this year. It's apparently the way Harbaugh and co. have decided they're going to do things for better or for worse. I wish it wasn't done this way, gotta suck for the kids.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^
Honestly, I want to do everything within the rules to win at this point in my Michigan fandom. The past 10 years have changed how I look at Michigan football. If we want to be competitive in big time football, we're going to have to do things differently than we've done recently.
I'm not going to turn my nose up at letting recruits find another place to play before signing day when it turns out they aren't what the coaches expected
Academic scholarships can be pulled for bad grades during a senior year, I don't see how this is much different - except that for some reason people tend to see school grades as "objective" and athletic performance evaluations as "subjective" when they're both the same thing.
If true, I put this one firmly in the "good luck, sorry it didn't work out here" category.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
Dead on. Performance matters. The only reason people care is because its public. This happens to high school kids everywhere.
January 19th, 2016 at 1:25 PM ^
That's not the only reason people care. You know how I know? I'm a people too.
January 19th, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^
Performance matters.
The dude is a second team All-American and a 4*.
His football season has also been over for two months - so if it's a performance issue, it shouldn't be coming out now.
January 20th, 2016 at 10:01 AM ^
January 19th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^
This issue is timing. In concept, I have no problem if Harbaugh had told Swenson several months back to look for an alternate landing place, but that sure doesn't seem to be what happened here. As recently as two weeks ago Swenson tweeted how excited he was to get to A2. Now, two weeks to go til signing day he has to find a new school? That's just out cold, and a really bad look.
January 19th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^
I don't believe there is a coach in the country that would let it leak (tell anyone) that they are not going to honor a kids verbal committment because he didn't develop the way they liked, or thoughty he should. Other schools and highschool coaches would crucify them for that. Having said that, if you guys want to compete with Alabama and OSU on a yearly basis, these late decisions will be more of a norm going forward. You can't be pissed when they get curb stomped and then want to walk this moral high ground.