UM leads Big Ten in just released QS 2014 World University Rankings
UM is ranked #23 in the world in the 2014 rankings.
Other Big Ten schools:
#34 Northwestern
#41 Wisconsin
#102 Purdue
#109 the Ohio State University
#112 Penn State
#119 Minnesota
#122 Maryland
and....drum roll, please....
at #195, cracking the TOP 200! the Spartans of Michigan State University.
The next time your Spartan friends start that "both UM and MSMoo are great universities", point them to this link:
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-ran…
September 16th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
Obligatory, annoying, pedantic "MSMoo"....not here buddy. "You must not come here often". "Don't bring us down to the level of RCMB of MLive with that stuff".
Just kidding. But watch out...
September 16th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
MSMoo...............
September 16th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^
We'd be higher ranked if we ran offensive plays faster.
#23 in the world but #29 in the US (US News and World Report) ???????
September 16th, 2014 at 11:25 AM ^
different organizations = different ratings.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:44 AM ^
= more eyeballs = more money. It would be hard to sell what you're selling if you say the same thing as the other guy, basically validating their expertise. I just don't get too into these ratings, one way or another.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
Michigan is consistently rated higher in the world than it is in the US. Different rankings valuing different things.
FWIW, it sounds homerish, but the QS and London Times rankings seem to be held in higher regard than the USN&WR national ones i.e. we're probably closer to 30th in the world than we are to 30th in the US
September 16th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^
Nobody respects QS rankings. (I have no idea about London Times rankings.)
September 16th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^
I can't speak to QS rankings, but it seems like everyone certainly loves to shit talk USN&WR, even people who went to very highly ranked schools.
September 16th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
USN&WR sucks. QS sucks worse.
September 16th, 2014 at 9:16 PM ^
The "world" rankings are heavily skewed toward catering to international students, which Michigan does very well.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^
Man, it must have been a while since I last looked. Last I remember, the only British universities in the top ten were Oxford and Cambridge. Four of the top six now.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^
September 16th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^
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September 16th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Illinois has a great engineering school....tops in the B1G, but we aren't far behind and I'd much rather be in Ann Arbor.
September 16th, 2014 at 6:18 PM ^
but holy hell, have you ever been to Champ-Urb? Went for a game once. How does anybody not become a hard-core alcoholic at that school? The campus is just out in the middle of miles and miles of open flat farmland-- about as literally in the middle of nowhere as you can get without being in a desert. They should move the whole thing to Chicago and join the existing UIC as flagship of the system.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:06 PM ^
I would have to agree. Great place to go to grad school, as there are few distractions and you can buy a house within walking distance of campus for less than $100,000.
If it was located in Chicago, it would be absolutely amazing.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
... but in the grand scheme of the entire world of more than 7 billion people, being in the top 200 does make you a great university
thankfully, top 25 is elite
September 16th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
It's true - MSU is a fine academic institution. Stratifying the top 200 can separate "super elite" from "still pretty great", but how meaningful is the difference? It's hard to say ... I think you'd have great career opportunities graduating from MSU, and great career opportunities graduating from UM. At that point, variance in success would most likely be explained in larger part by the individual than the institution. In any case, we shouldn't disparage MSU as being "not good" because that's patently false. If you want to disparage them for being "not as good as us", then that's fine I guess, but still pretty petty.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
I'm not saying MSU is a bad school but being top 200 in the world isn't an indicator of it. There are maybe 30 countries in the world that really have invested in higher education and in many of those countries it is really only 1 or 2 schools. The education recieved at a community college in the US is probably equivalent to anything outside of the top schools for a majority of countries in the world.
The reality of it is that there probably isn't a difference between an msu or an arizona state, or a texas tech. They are all going to give you a good enough education to be successful but there is a level of schools that is seen as above that level of good enough and there are opportunities associated with being in that level that someone from msu would most likely not have and that is why people pick michigan over msu, or come out of state to michigan. In reality its a pretty stupid difference but it makes all the difference in the world in terms of actual opportunity even if it shouldn't.
September 16th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
If you look at the numbers GVSU is nipping at their heels. Is GVSU great then? MSU is a good school but far from great.
Those two schools are much closer than you realize
SAT's - push
Reading Math Writing
25% 75% 25% 75% 25% 75%
Grand Valley 480 615 510 620 460 590
Michigan State 430 580 540 680 460 580
(this just reinforces "can't read, can't write")
ACT's - MSU has the edge
Composite English Math
25% 75% 25% 75% 25% 75%
Grand Valley 21 26 21 27 20 26
Michigan St 23 28 22 29 23 28
GPA - Tossup
GVSU - High School GPA (mid 50%): 3.3 - 3.8
MSU - High school GPA: 3.4-3.9
Admission rate MSU - 71% GVSU - 82%
At my kid's high school MSU gives verbal admission decisions on the spot with no application.
September 16th, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^
I'm pretty sure the test scores of entering students is not a very good measure of the quality of a university. I'd be surprised if there were a single professor at GVSU that wouldn't jump at an equivalent job at MSU.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:34 PM ^
You say that like academic jobs are offered based off teaching skills. I had teachers in high school that were better teachers of the material than professors at Michigan. Most people in academia regardless of whether they are at GVSU or Harvard have a good enough knowlege of the material to teach undergrads, it doesn't take a noble prize to teach econ 101. It is the standards they hold their students to that makes the difference.
September 18th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^
You say that like university rankings are based on teaching skills...
There is a world where academic prestige is related to teaching. This is not that world.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
In terms of the US public schools, how are some of the rankings so different from US News? UVa at 141? Also, what makes Michigan higher than UCLA and Cal on this list, but lower on the USNWR rankings?
September 16th, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
I answerd this above:
The "world" rankings are heavily skewed toward catering to international students, which Michigan does very well.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
September 16th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^
Maryland´s No 11??? It that a typo?
September 16th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
Maryland is 122
September 16th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
Michigan was ranked 22 in the 2013 QS World University Rankings. The National University of Singapore (ranked 22 in 2014) probably has a more experienced offensive line, and they might've been developing a better solar car and showing better quarterback pressure and press coverage on defense. LINK to 2014 QS World University Rankings
It's way too early for the Fire Schlissel posts to begin. But he could be on the University President Hot Seat if there's any more slippage in 2015.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:01 PM ^
Schlissel will be watching these ranking far closer than he will the NCAA rankings. Mary Sue was a big supporter of Michigan athletics, Schlissel will not be as enthusiastic.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
You can also point to this when Domers say they can't recruit top football players because of their academics
University of Notre Dame #237
and if we dream about the B1G really going for footprint, McGill and UT would be sweet adds from a location and academics standpoint. Athletics probably not so much
September 16th, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^
Hey, McGill produced Kenny Dryden, IIRC.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^
Ken Dryden was the Most Outstanding Player in the four-team 1967 NCAA Ice Hockey Tournament, leading Cornell to a 4-1 win over Boston University in the championship game.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^
Yeah, they'd be epic additions for Big Ten hockey but that's about it. Likelihood of this happening is essentially 0
September 16th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
rankings come out as a proud alum this is my reaction as I see our ranking over MSU and all others. (edit: and yes, I'm usually sitting by a stream holding some mid 19th century contraption...presumably for chopping wood or gutting fish)
September 16th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
The University of Chicago is the highest rated Big Ten School.....
September 16th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
But these rankings are bullshit. Their methodology is bullshit. They are not more respected than USNWR, low though that bar may be.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/05/29/methodology-qs-rankings-comes-under-scrutiny
September 16th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^
If only we could win more football games.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
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September 16th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
Great? Nope. Good, yes. Below Michigan Tech, GVSU is damm close. Good school, great for some stuff but let's not polish that road apple to the north.
September 16th, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^
Good, maybe, but def not a "great" institution in the US. Coming from the east coast, I don't remember a single person from my HS that thought about going to MSU as a great academic option, and I went to one of those "top 100" HS ranked by USN&WR.
September 16th, 2014 at 8:21 PM ^
Trust me-- nationally they are not respected. You may as well go to Western or Ohio U.
September 16th, 2014 at 6:24 PM ^
(2010) but The Economist, generally considered a highly respectable publication across most of the spectrum, laid out some of the background to these rankings and the criticisms of various methods for generating the rankings. Enlightening and relatively short read.