Threet interview in Daily
Threet had an interview in the Daily (and is reprinted on Yahoo). He had an interesting quote, "I know (former quarterback) Justin (Feagin) left because he felt that it wasn’t Michigan anymore, at least not the same Michigan."
What did I miss? I don't remember hearing anything about Feagin leaving, and he definitely didn't commit to Carr, so I'm confused.
Link:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=uwire-formermichiganqbd…
I think that the reporter is an idiot. Threet was likely referring to Justin Boren, but becuase he just called him "Justin" it was the paper's responsibility to know what the hell they were talking about.
The writer apologized it is Boren.
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I didn't even make that connection. Thought he was legally Mr. Plow. What a bitch that he made that mistake on the one nationally syndicated article he's writes.
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...."I ran the offense - some would say not very well..."
Some = everyone who watches football who is not related to or dating Steven Threet.
TATE OWN SHIT.
I give you two stat lines. One is Threet as a freshman, the other is Matthew Stafford as a freshman.
1) 135/256 for 1,749 yards, 7 TD's 13 INT's
2) 102/200 for 1,105 yards, 9 TD's 7 INT's
Now, which one is Threet?
I understand that he didn't play very well last year, but let's put it into perspective. He was a first year player playing behind a patchwork O-line. I probably don't even have to looks this up, but I'll bet Stafford had a much better O-line when he was a Frosh, too.
Threet played hard, often times through pain and booing. Let's not kick him in the ass on the way out of town, he just wants to play in an offense that suits his skills.
....Threet is B.
He could have stayed and tried to keep his starting spot. He probably would have been pretty good this year with settled running backs and a significantly improved O-line.
Instead, he's leaving. He deserves a small kick for bailing out.
If Arizona State can teach him how to not overthrow 6 foot 8 inch tight ends that are open in the end zone (see: Pat Massey vs. Northwestern), well, good for them, and that'll be just another thing to blame on Coach Rod. I'm sure it'll be a thrill to play for Dennis Erickson.
I still think Massey should have caught that. Also, Sheridan was 8/29 in that game.
...but if Threet had hit the open receiver (and well, had the referees not botched the Warren INT return call), Michigan would have won that game.
That is probably the most frustrating thing about 2008: that the open receivers missed, or one other play screwed up, caused Michigan to lose minimum four games last year (Utah, Toledo, State and Purdue). Heck, throw in the rain, the incorrect call on the Matthews TD, and the Threet screwups (backward pass, fumble), and the Notre Dame game was there to be had. Those alone, with the improved line, RBs, the purge of the dissidents, and better QB play, should make people optimistic for this fall.
You've listed scads of ifs here. If, if, if.
Threet played hard, made no excuses, and genuinely tried. He didn't fit into the scheme at UM, so he left. He didn't call out any coaches, the school, or the fanbase. Even now, he didn't take any shots when he could have.
And all you want to do is say "if."
Michigan fans should support Threet in his decision. If he was so horrible, you shouldn't be upset that he left. Threet has my respect and best wishes.
agree with you, but I'm still frightened by your picture...
....in leaving. I never insinuated that he didn't try, or didn't play hard. He just wasn't the guy, and wasn't going to be the guy.
I'm not upset in the least that he's leaving. If that is what Michigan football quarterbacking was going to look like for the next 2 years, well, have fun in Tempe. I fully support him leaving.
Do you honestly think that he could have competed for the starting spot when we have 2 perfectly good spread QBs coming? I doubt Rich Rod wanted him to leave, but I'm sure he doesn't want to play backup for the rest of his college career.
..that Coach Rod didn't want to throw a true freshman QB out there on 9/5. While Tate is better than Threet in the spread, I'm confident Rod thought he could get through the first week with Threet handing the ball off and maybe improved spread play, and maybe giving Tate or Denard a series or two.
Now, this is all moot since Tate is here, Threet is gone, and Tate got all the 1st team work that Threet would have. We'll see.
Threet gave everything he had for the team last year. Taking multiple injuries and playing with Schilling as the only returning starter. While his performance wasn't great, it wasn't too far away from what should be expected of a freshman QB in a new system. Please keep this in mind when Tate Forcier isn't in the running for the Heisman, rather struggling to find some consistency and get to 6 wins.
Pat Massey was 6'8", unfortunately, he graduated after the 2005 season. His brother Mike, who is 6'5", was a 5th year senior last year.
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You forgot to account for the fact that the SEC is the best football conference...well...EVER!
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Also from the above-linked article, this is more salt in the wound of last year. Maybe it's good to know that many of the problems can be sourced to just a few guys, but I'm not so sure. Anyway,
"They need to make sure that everyone is putting the work in to getting better at executing their job. There were a lot of times last year where maybe one guy didn’t do his job at 100 percent, and that’s the difference between a touchdown and a three-yard loss. Working together like that is especially important offensively. Defensively, you can get bailed out sometimes, but offensively it really does take all 11 guys."
i like this article threet seems like a stand up guy i wish him the best. but everytime i see that quote from macgee i think what a dbag. how can a 40+ year old coach throw a 20 something under the bus like that.
Threet sounded very mature in that article (although I would have preferred he avoided mentioning Justin Boren as an example), best of luck to the guy at ASU. I can't help but wonder if Erickson and his staff will still be there before Threet graduates, though.
Also agree that the comment attributed to Coach Magee, if correctly quoted, was inappropriate for a coach to say to anyone in public.
That was a comment Magee made after the MSU game when he was asked about Threet's performance.
I respect Threet for handling the interview well. A few questions were meant to draw some negative comments toward the coaches and Michigan in general.
I don't mind honest, tough questions but the phrasing of some of the the questions seemed like backhanded insults to Michigan. I'm probably just being subconsciously defensive.
What questions in specific are you refering to?
If you want to get legit anwsers from whomever you're interveiwing, you have to ask specific questions that go beyond the "tell me how you feel" cliche.
I love everything about Michigan, yet I would have asked every single one of those questions as well. I dont think the questions were geared to getting negative responses about RR as much as they were geared towards getting good and frank answers from Threet.
I think, as you said, you're being subconsiously defensive. Its hard not to be when the football program is discussed these days.
Anyway, I thought it was a fair Q/A and was impressed with some of Threets responses. And, I dont think his responses were all that anti-UM either. It was pretty good piece, IMO.
I see what you're saying. I agree that specific questions need to be asked and that these questions were legitimate. I have no problem with the questions themselves; I just felt they could have been phrased better. I do admit that when I read the interview, I sensed a tone that was probably nonexistent (due to my defensiveness). My opinion was more of a gut response to the questions rather than an analysis of the interview.
However, I was thankful to read the interview and because the questions were frank, I am thankful that Threet is the stand-up guy that he is reputed to be.
And writers wonder why they get a bad name.
I guess I just don't see this as throwing threet under the bus.
He was asked for his assement of Threet's play and he simply stated that it was inconsistent as always. Which was true of Threet's play last year. He did not blame Threet for the loss. He did not say that Threet should be doing better, but rather I thought he was simply stating the obvious.
I would have been less snarky for him to say stop after stating that Threet was inconsistent, rather than adding the "as always" but if that is what the anti-RR folks are using as grist for their he was runoft meme, they need to dig a little more.
I also found nothing wrong with a coach saying "inconsistent as always". It's true, and not really a big deal. I think the coaches were frustrated because he would fine the open guy, then overthrow him. Once again, it's not common for a freshman QB to nearly always find the right guy, but then overthrow him. Most freshman QBs make bad reads, which wasn't Threet's problem. Had Threet been able to make those throws even slightly more often, the team would have won 2/3 more games. Just compare the start of the Illinois game to the start of the PSU game to the disasters elsewhere. That had to be enormously frustrating for everyone.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
...with throwing a QB under the bus like that, or any player for that matter. It just shows his lack of character. Someone with a filter would not say that. EVEN AFTER A RIVALRY LOSS. Who is the adult?(go ahead and say Threet is 20 and is an adult too and could be fighting in the war, etc but the fact is McGee is a coach/elder and it shows very little respect and poor modeling) Afterall, RR big thing is to grow these guys as men, students and athletes. I want this staff to succeed more and faster than anyone, but you have to admit the comments/reports have been little brazen* at times.
*I am too lazy to see if I spelled that right or if it even fits in the context of the sentence but I like it.
While Magee probably should have answered the question differently, I don't think it was that big of a deal. The statement was true. As a fan, I'd rather see a coach answer a question like that than give some kind of PC answer like, "Oh, he had some good plays and some bad plays, but it's a team sport. We lost as a team." That's a PC answer and there's nothing wrong with it...but it's not completely honest, either.
...but I would chalk a lot of it up to the growing fatigue of answering the same question week in and week out compounded by losing a big rivalry game.
This wasn't the first game of the year, or the second, or even the third; it was the EIGHTH game of the season. Threet had been playing for two months by then. And Magee was right; at that point, inconsistency was (unfortunately) par for the season.
I am just saying, put a filter on it. And Magnus, you are right, his play was bad and it is true what McGee said......then why should he have said it if we all knew it. There is nothing wrong with being PC in that position.
If the PC response you want is essentially the same thing then, does it even matter if it's PC? PC for the sake of being PC is pretty stupid.
You're right. There's nothing wrong with being PC. But if you want PC answers, you could ask me and I'll make them up for you. A trained puppy could give PC answers.
He could have said, "Steve was inconsistant." And then moved on. It just shows immaturity to throw the dig in, "As always"
We're doing a lot of parsing of a comment that none of us actually heard spoken.
I remember hearing it. It didn't sound as bad as it reads.
Inconsistent.
Inquiry: Would it be okay for a player to call out a coach for a mistake (e.g. poor clock managment) in a public venue?
...if that player doesn't mind getting benched or running extra after practice.
Remember, John Wooden had a strict short haircut rule. In the 1960s and 1970s, some of his players protested when Wooden demanded they cut their hair, stating their "afros" were a point of racial pride. Wooden was hauled before the Board of Regents, and was told he couldn't demand they cut their hair.
The next day, he stood before the team and said, "Gentlemen, I understand I've offended some of you and I apologize, that was not my intention. I realize I cannot force you to cut your hair.
But, I do decide who plays."
The kids cut their hair that day.
That's not analogous. You don't call out your authority figure. That's never healthy for team chemistry. Whether it's justifiable for the coach to publically call out a player is murkier.
I would hope the coach would take the blame on himself if something like that happened. Calling out the coach (or the coach calling out a player) is probably not the classiest way to do things, but I don't see it as a big deal if it is in response to a direct question (like being asked how Threet performed in a game).
Chris wrote:
"Threet played hard, often times through pain and booing. Let's not kick him in the ass on the way out of town, he just wants to play in an offense that suits his skills."
I understand what you are saying, and wish him well, but I really don't think he has major college QB skills. And it doesn't really speak well for him that he is transferring yet again in search of a chance to play when he really hasn't taken advantage of the chances he has had.
I have said this before, but I think Threet is getting really, really bad advice from those close to him. He seems to be under the illusion that he has a chance to play in the NFL someday. The Daryl Lamonica throwing motion used to work in the 50's and 60's, even getting him in the Hall of Fame, but it just doesn't work anymore, even in major college. Linemen are a lot taller now and play the passing lanes a lot better.
You cannot throw sidearm and play major college football unless you are about 7-5, in which case you are probably playing hoop. Threet is not 7-5. That is why I suggested a transfer to a lower division in earlier posts.
So, I don't hold him in the utter contempt in which I hold the Human Twinkie, but I do wish he was getting better advice, because his actions are not very productive at this point.
In lieu of transferring back to his hometown, Threet could have stayed at UM. He obviously wouldn't have been the first string QB anymore, but he would have provided depth and would have gotten a nice degree. Not only that, but I am sure he would have been rewarded for his loyalty with a GA opportunity.
Most of all, though, he would have always had a job for as long as he wanted one in Michigan. If he went into business, he would have always had his name as an ice-breaker in marketing situations. Michigan is a terrible state for employment, but being a memorable UM athlete is pretty much a guarantee that you will never have to look too far to find work. Now, Threet will be seen by most as another person who didn't fulfill his commitment at UM.
And that could bite him in the ass when he is older.
The only people that would hold it against Threet that he transferred from Michigan for a chance to continue his collegiate football career and consider that as not fulfilling his commitment to UofM are nutbags like yourself which, I hope to god, are a very small minority in our fanbase. Seriously, do you even read and think about half of the bullshit that you type before you hit the "Save" button? Your bitterness towards Threet is beyond the pale and borders on creepiness.
Jay, you rule.
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Three different Division 1 football coaches have considered him as likely enough to possess skills that they've offered him a scholarship.
Dude, you're making stuff up there, like a bad talk radio host.
Even still, I wish someone had given me the "bad advice" of attending college at Arizona State. Who wouldn't want to spend their college years, as a guy, as an athlete, at an excellent warm weather school with some of the best looking co-eds in the land.
And, being a well-known QB from ASU will probably help him land several business chances in Arizona and Southern California. So, not a bad idea. Seriously, you think only by being a Michigan QB he'll have business doors open to him, but not if went a played elsewhere?
I concur with Jay.