For those of us still working what has been your experience?
For those of us who aren't able to stay home in our PJs what has been your experience at work so far? I work in a manufacturing setting and most of our suppliers are also still working. The hourly workers didn't really start to take this new flu seriously until the last week or so. We are practicing the 6 foot rule, no one is using the lunch room anymore, all in-person meetings have stopped (email/text is the rule) and some of the folks are starting to express nervousness.
We supply to nearly every US industry including hospitals so companies like us, if we close, would cause problems in short order which could threaten the nation's ability to deliver food, medicines, healthcare equipment, etc.
It seems like daily there are new challenges from suppliers who are experiencing cash flow problems or who just shut down their operation without notifying anyone. Companies seem to be hoarding cash and stretching out their payables.
Most of the factories in the area have installed more aggressive cleaning procedures and we're also dealing with new local health regulations. These including taking employee temperatures and asking screening questions on a daily basis.
On a personal basis I'm nervous...not just for myself but for my family. I would prefer to stay home but it's just not an option in my company role. I'm thinking about segregating myself from the family until this is over to prevent possibly exposing them.
What are things like for those of you still working?
Kudos to your fiancee' mgobaran. I work in the funeral profession as well. (see my post below) I worry terribly about our funeral directing staff also.
I'm experiencing alot of your emotions thanks for sharing...I wish I was able to stay home and deal with guilt instead of being in a factory!
The commute to work is like Christmas morning everyday though!
I'm trying to be more open in terms of honesty and feelings. TBH Juwan Howard is a great role model for young men in terms of that. Going back to his first press conference at Michigan. He takes a full minute to compose himself enough to talk, and instead of apologizing for being emotional, Juwan proclaims "Tears of Joy!" He said he told himself he wouldn't cry, but instead of leaving it there, he talks about openly about what brought him to tears. That Michigan is so special, and means so much.
He gave that same energy in a press conference when Brendan Quinn wrote that article about him and his home court this year. Those moments definitely inspire me to be a better man.
It's just another day..
I work for a small web development shop and we transitioned to WFH on March 16th. Things for us so far have been positive. We have less than 50 employees and we're setup well to work from home already. My team in particular finished the month at over 100% productivity so we're really please with that.
Personally, my wife and 3 daughters are home with me. The kids are all still doing school work and my wife is furloughed (she's a PT) but we're making the best of it. No longer spending $900/mo on childcare helps and being generally frugal means we're not in a lot of trouble financially. More than anything else, I'm just hoping that everyone's spirits stay high. Being together for this many days in a row is...daunting.
Stay safe everyone!
"I work for a small web development shop..."
You work for HUEL!!!! GET HIM!!!!
Wait, hold on! Don't attack, yet!!!
Do you work for HUEL? Please tell me you don't work for HUEL...
As a non-child having MGoBlogger, I won't lie, I almost had a stroke when I read that $900 per month figure for childcare. Don't want to make any assumptions but that seems crazy expensive. Is that for a nanny situation or? More curious than anything.
Stay safe friend.
I pay just shy of 1900 for two kids for the month.
Yep, crazy expensive but its the going rate.
$1400/ month here in L.A. And that's on the cheaper end for a daycare... a nanny would be even more... but it's cheaper in Michigan, for sure. Actually had some remorse having to tell our wonderful daycare today that we can't afford to pay April "tuition" since income is scarce right now. After all they've done to care for our child, felt really bad not being able to support them with our $ in this time. Still gonna chip in what we can. All that said, my main concern is getting my family, my parents, and other loved ones through this safely. As a quote I read said, "We know how to bring the economy back to life. What we don't know is how to bring a human being back to life."
I work for a commercial low voltage company. All estimators, service dept office guys, reception, CADD department, engineers, accounting, etc have been working from home for the past two weeks. I'm a project manager, so I don't really have that luxury. We have five project managers and the warehouse manager working. Our technicians are working, so I'm still here meeting them in the mornings and making jobsite visits if absolutely necessary. If a tech is coming by for materials, I just stage them by the warehouse door so that don't have to really come in.
I work for a pet food/lawn & garden center on a part-time basis, and I have made some disconcerting observations over the course of the last couple of weeks. Being a feed store, we have been deemed an essential business. However, we are still selling many non-essential items. I live in Beaver County, PA—a county that consists of the second oldest population in the United States. Our customer base is primarily made up of individuals over the age of 50 who shop for non-essential items such as seeds for birds and lawn supplies. The general lack of awareness and, frankly, carelessness exhibited by some of these individuals is astounding. They are willing to jeopardize their health, the health of their loved ones, and the health of myself and my coworkers in order to obtain a 10lb bag of sunflower seeds. Some people have even admitted that they came to the store simply to get out of the house and buy something. I am not naïve to the extent that I believe this is only occurring in Beaver County. I know this is happening across the country, and people are wondering why we have stay at home orders and other policies in place to prevent community spread. If we want to return to relative normalcy anytime soon, people have to learn to heed the advice that has been given and stay home. I was set to start school in the spring at U-M; however, that has been delayed until the fall. Witnessing such poor, careless behavior first-hand is very discouraging, especially considering my school situation is in flux with no definitive start time. This is a most solemn situation, and although I am grateful to be working I am disappointed with how some are handling this pandemic, especially those who are most vulnerable.
*sigh* This is who we are as a nation...
Why I'm hoping this virus gets bad, our culture needs to change before something catastrophic happens.
People are dying in my community, and there is still a profound sense of negligence. I am afraid that this virus is going to consume this county and many other communities across the country because some people simply do not care, and that is tragic.
You're more intelligent than most, because at least you can recognize it... most people (even on MGOBLOG) are oblivious to how entitled and privileged we are. The fact that this is the first major health scare in modern history for the USA is amazing and shows just how great our health care system is; and hopefully we'll start to value one another again. I just looked at the stats on the web, we have more COVID19 cases than any other nation, yet 1/3rd the deaths related to it than Italy... that's significant!
I guess my point is...I'll quote myself:
"We live in exceptional times in the most affluent nation in an age of unparalleled peace. There's little impetus for exceptionalism when we are on this island paradise, so people actively pursue relevance. Fortunately character is still king, and perhaps the most relevant accomplishment in an age lacking accountability."
You my friend... sound like you have plenty of character, so your relevance is indisputable and eternal. While we all still want to pursue more, I know my relevance is daily and at times even one transaction at a time; working harder than my employer deserves, being as present as possible for family and friends, trying to improve. I struggle with the last and must always remind myself that every right and wrong decision has brought me here... so the future is always a right or wrong decision away...
Be safe, be well!
The most difficult of life's lessons that I've had to learn, is that there isn't any "Universal Justice" (Karma), we have to take comfort in our own judgement, knowing that others may choose poorly! I was hit by two drunk drivers within the last 4yrs, how's that for horrible luck. They took my dream car away from me, and my health from me (separated vertibrae sp?) Always in pain, but I'm still able to body build, run, go out dancing with a beautiful woman... thankful for that stuff! I'll say I'm as guilty as many... I didn't know what I had, until I lost it all... most people don't.
+1
...right up until:
I just looked at the stats on the web, we have more COVID19 cases than any other nation
That's only if you believe the bullshit coming out of China.
This is true, I was mainly referencing Italy... and we all know China is a dictatorship with serious issues; so I didn't even want to go there.
We'll get the full story about China a couple years down the road. Furthermore, this is a lot like Chernobyl... the Russians tried to cover that shit up... then a couple days later half way around the globe geiger counters started to detect serious amounts of radiation.
Now we all know about Chernobyl... don't we!
The back story with Italy is really interesting. I had no idea how much the new money in China has bought up parts of Italy. Makes that situation a lot clearer.
There's a certain irony in this comment...
...most people (even on MGOBLOG) are oblivious to how entitled and privileged we are.
...being immediately followed by this one.
The fact that this is the first major health scare in modern history for the USA
So...remember the AIDS pandemic?
AIDS is nowhere NEAR as infectious, and yes I know very well of it... that's the reason our nation started putting in place all of the practices regarding open cuts, blood, etc.
However, for the most part, unless you're bloodletting, drinking someones blood, or fucking without a sock on your penis, (someone on here called me out for saying "pecker") then there's very little to be worried about.
AIDS didn't spread the globe in 4 months my friend!
Where did I say anything about AIDS being as infectious as this strain of coronavirus? I simply pointed out that calling this the, "...first major health scare in modern history for the USA," was factually inaccurate.
When AIDS first burst on the scene it was far scarier. Everything about it, including the cause being HIV and that it was not spread by casual contact, was completely unknown. Even by the lowest estimates COVID-19 has a terrifyingly high fatality rate (especially for those in high risk groups) but AIDS was a literal death sentence for everyone.
I was also pointing out the irony in your statement about people being unaware of how "entitled and privileged" they are, then in the very next sentence providing a perfect example. It takes a certain kind of privilege to be in a position to completely forget about AIDS.
"People are dying in my community", really? This is news to you. I realize the numbers are goign to get much worse over the next couple months, but right now 4K have died nationwide, versus over 25K have died from the flu (look it up on the CDC weekly flu page). I am not denigrating those who are taking careful steps, but lets not get irrational. Further, the original poster mentions something abot suppliers shutting down. That is the fallacy of a shut down except for "essential" industries. In the global supply chain world in which we live, sooner or later you will find a non-essential company in the chain, and the whole thing comes crashing down. When we finally come to our senses and try to get back to work, things are ogign to be much more difficult than the brilliant thinkers who are shutting things down can even begin to conceive.
The proper reaction was to isolate the most at risk (elderly, health compromised individuals) as much as possible and keep things working. The long term economic disaster we have induced on ourselves will be much worse than you think if it goes on any longer than this month.
I agree with you on some things, and disagree on others... I've been very outspoken about the FLU correlations with COVID19. My advocacy was more about how we as a society deal with it... and instead of fear mongering, we act like adults, take the proper actions, and act with measured responses.
Unfortunately this is America, we fear monger, our media blows shit way out of proportion, which unfortunately yields extreme action/results...hording of food (toilet paper), people pulling out of the markets potentially causing a crash etc. just ridiculousness.
COVID19 is still in its infancy, we don't have all of the results or metrics yet on the seriousness, or even the mortality rate. We hear stories on the news, but no facts... I read an article from Holland I think about the virus jumping to a cat?! This is so incredibly rare that a virus would jump from a human to another animal that I'm inclined to call BS... they said they found the virus in the fecal matter... anyways, I'm going down a rabbit hole here.
The Flu could have been prevented years ago if we would have isolated and stopped it; think about that for a minute. What we really don't want is another flu type virus in circulation around the globe, that's just as (or more) contagious and lethal. I do think we've damaged our economy beyond any immediate repair at this point, and some of that could have been prevented by... "We The People", but it's done now and we can't turn back. I'm also not on the Trump Hate band wagon and blaming him for everything... that's just stupid. We The People had a chance to step in and play our part... we decided we'd goof off and now we're paying the price... such is life. Do we really need public officials to tell us to wash our hands, distance ourselves, be responsible and stay home when we're sick????? Well I guess we do... we're idiots. We need to stop asking others to be responsible for, and manage... our lives!
Lastly, I said from the very beginning that the virus was the least of our worries, as the Doomsday Dems were calling for heads to roll, and they were preparing for the apocalypse. For those who survive the virus we get to live through another 80's type recession, that will pale in comparison to the 2008 Real Estate crash. This will be a humbling experience for our country, and maybe we need(ed) it. This virus is serious...but we as a people have handled it poorly from a sociological standpoint.
One more point, I'm keeping track of all of those larger companies who are firing employees; because I know for a fact these CEO's with golden parachutes will have their hand out for gov. bailout, then they'll be taking extra bonuses at the end of the year. Those companies WILL NOT get my business ever again; this includes any cable TV services or any luxury items I own. I need to be a better citizen and start holding my fellow citizens more responsible instead of looking to the President... again... to tell me how to wash my hands, or who's behaving responsibly in a free market.
I think we may agree on more than either of us realize. The flu v. COVID is a difficult conversation to have, and I don't mean to use it as too strong a baseline, but, we need to have rational thresholds for actions, and I think we have gone too far. As much as i am free market capitalist, I am worried about the natural use of a downturn for companies to cull their herd. While there would be some improvements in workplace efficiency, the extra unemployment at a difficult time would not be beneficial. Especially with the abomination of Porkulus III that got passed. That is oging to be a disaster for the countyr as well.
Roads are clear...it's nice actually! One other HUGE POSITIVE in all of this, NO DRUNK ASS DRIVERS! Woot...
Working from home has SUCKED, but only because all of the gyms are closed, and that means I have to run on pavement; my knees are killin' me. I normally watch what I eat but because now I'm at home, the kitchen is far too close so snacking has been a problem and I've seen weight gains.
Furthermore, lean ground beef is tough to find at the stores because of hording, so people like me who are mildly anemic are fucked because of these assholes. So I'm constantly taking iron pills, but the body doesn't absorb it as well as it does during ingestion of red meet... beyond that, I wish we could get back to normal life, and have realized how much I take for granted... gym, food, performing arts etc.
One strange thing... no more Lens Wipes at the stores...I didn't understand why I couldn't find Lens Wipes for cameras, computer monitors etc. Then my father said "think about it Chris, there's alcohol on those wipes, if you can't find regular sanitation wipes... the next logical step is...." EUREKA! Wow people are nuts...
running on asphalt isn't ideal but its better than sidewalks/concrete. if you want to try some things to help there i'd recommend really stretching out your hamstrings, quads, and shins after a light warmup and again after you finish. I'm not a big stretching person but often the pains in my knee are from tightness in the muscles above or below. Also you can try taking shorter steps than you normally would - its awkward at first and slows you down but not as much as knee pain will. lastly consider some support for your knees - see if you can amazon yourself a light brace or wrap, and make sure your shoes don't need to be replaced or maybe look at inserts to help cushion the blow.
Kudos and thank you... you're probably correct on all accounts, I usually stretch a LOT, but I have a feeling that with my age (40's) I need to get a couple braces and some inserts. I was acting like I was 20yrs old again while running the other day... the mind was ready to go, the body wasn't.
Thanks again!
Let's hope "user name checks out" never becomes a thing too.
Unfortunately it does.... Lost Wages = Las Vegas....Casinos are shut down, many friends are out of work. Not good, that town may never recover... they took a huge hit during the real estate crash in 2008.
This will be like the hurricane in New Orleans...
Working from home in Chicago. We live in a highrise which is now like a silent tomb. I’m a prepper and wear all the regalia including gas mask when shopping, most in my building do not venture outside pursuant to edict. Acquired extra printer, document scanner, shredder, computer screens, and exercise bike for our rooftop deck – all manufactured overseas of course, which I hope changes.
Chicago Police patrol our neighborhood on horseback to discourage congregants. Noticed aggressive characters hanging out in our hood so am strapping Glock 30 concealed with more mag than usual since I’m on foot when about town.
Wife is a BigLaw partner advising Fortune 50 on matters relating to the virus impact. It’s fascinating to eavesdrop on her conference calls. I’m head of a smallish patent law boutique and we’re used to working remotely given frequent travel. Our Asian clients are not responding consistently, our European clients are a bit more reliable; only Americans seem to feel home is an extension of their offices and not the other way around. It’s unhealthy to live immediately with so many electronics I am convinced.
I am the only person in our office who contracted the virus and given self-quarantine due to severity at the time apparently did not infect the others. Apart from client responsiveness drop, and effective closure of federal courts, business goes on, our payrolls will be met, and we will continue to serve clients. Unless the wife and I get into a proximity tiff in which case it's pistols at dawn :>}
In Cali.... am buying my first handguns, most likely Glocks this Friday morning before CA closes the gun shops.
National guidelines for "essential" businesses have exempted gun stores. LA in fact reversed the closures. You're also about 3 weeks behind the massive wave of first time gun owners, so it might be a little picked over.
Please take some training (maybe when all this is over) and secure your gun responsibly.
Isn't just living in LA for any extended length considered professional hand gun training? LOL
Got lost in Compton once...fuck I'm surprised I lived to tell about it. Detour on US 1 was through Compton, I'd rather have taken my chances driving through the construction zone!
CoverZero, a few suggestions. First, welcome to lawful firearms ownership, it truly is a great community and you will be appreciated for looking after you and yours. Don’t be wedded to a particular brand, undertake some online research and poll the gun shop personnel. Then buy according to logical requirements with special consideration for availability and price of appropriate ammunition.
Glock is not magic, the 30 just works for me, I also own other brands. Even if you don’t anticipate daily carry, buy a kydex/aramid holster because you may need to carry during exigencies even if unlawful. Assuming available, also buy a storage safe, eye guard and ear protection – eventually, you will need the latter two for training, which you absolutely need even if ex-military (different environment) but understandably training is presently curtailed given the virus. Hitting a moving target is not the same as punching holes in paper targets. Know that if you discharge a firearm inside structure you are going to lose hearing permanently unless you protect the ears with inserts or headphones.
Don’t tell your neighbors you own, you want to behave as the proverbial gray man, unnoticed and a nothing object that doesn’t stand out to a potential pack of attackers (it’s seldom just a single assailant, usually packs of them). Unless you are careless, owning a firearm and not needing one is vastly superior to not possessing a firearm and needing one. A former professor at N’western of mine, Dr. Lee, was one of those folks atop the family dry cleaning business pointing shotguns during the Rodney King riots and their business was the only local establishment that wasn’t destroyed. Good luck and trust yourself with a gun even moreso than a ballot.
am buying my first handguns, most likely Glocks
Since you haven't committed yet and as @Esterhaus echoed...
If a Glock is the perfect gun for you, buy it!!!!!!!!! But don't buy a Glock simply because it's a Glock.
There are other options out there... such as the Springfield XD series. Especially for a first time owner.
Plus, if you're at a reputable store that isn't going to see you as a target of opportunity, you're going to save some bucks versus a Glock. Which you can use for accessories, training, range time, and ammo.
Just curious ...
A couple of details in your post suggest relative affluence, so I'm guessing your high rise isn't in West Garfield Park. Would this really be required?
Noticed aggressive characters hanging out in our hood so am strapping Glock 30 concealed with more mag than usual since I’m on foot when about town.
Again, just curious.
Chiraq is Chiraq at this point.
How does affluence correlate to assault and battery victimhood? Oh yeah, because assailants target perceived affluence. I'm defense-minded, not looking to exercise the itchy finger. And you don't want to know how that finger got itchy. Trust me on this in a time of depleted toilet paper stocks.
Dude, c'mon. Go here ( http://gis.chicagopolice.org/CLEARMap/startPage.htm ) and punch in your address. Restrict your search to violent crime (homicide, etc.) within a half-mile of your place and go back a few months by two-week intervals.
Try it again with Jackson & Pulaski as the address. (Anything in one of the most lively neighborhoods would work.)
Compare the numbers and let me know if you're still skeptical about the correlation between affluence (or lack thereof) and violent-crime victimhood.
I'm aware of the recent spate of Gold Coast daytime robberies. Yes, armed robberies happen on side streets all over Chicago. I'd also agree that we're living in interesting times. I'd suggest that you're overstating the real danger.
One other thing: Are you ready to draw and shoot? I hope so. I wouldn't trust the average Chicago armed robber to make a good decision in those scenarios.
I am the CFO for a guy who owns 8 funeral homes and a large ambulance company that handles 26,000 calls per year. My office is in a separate building. the staff in this building are still coming to work everyday since we essentially manage the businesses. All eight of our funeral homes are closed to the public. The staff make all funeral arrangements over the phone and send docusign documents to folks for signatures. It's very difficult, because a funeral home is in the business of bringing people together to say goodbye. Right now we are encouraging people not to do this. People say its a shame not to have funerals and that funeral gatherings should be exempt from social distancing. What no one realizes is that if the trained professionals (funeral directors) catch this stuff, they can't work then who cares for the dead?
Our ambulance people, God love em, are right on the front lines of this are are more than willing to answer the call....all 160 of them. So far, for both companies we are doing everything we can to make sure whether they work or not or are in quarantine, to pay their salaries in full....same with the funeral home staff. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM in both companies have stepped up to keep things going to help the public. I can't say enough great things about them. They are to be admired.
My company uses infrared cameras to check control panels and hopefully assist in eliminating power failures. We are in hospitals, waste water treatment plants and many other essential services. We sent all our crews home to work out of their houses instead of the office. Just about everything at this time is done by computer, phone and email. My travels back and forth to the office have been a breeze. My 75 mile trip has seen about a 60-65% reduction in traffic. We have 4 employees in the office, each with their own office so we keep social distancing to a degree. We even cook and eat lunch in the office to avoid going out. So it’s been pretty easy to keep being productive. We have supplied our people with the necessary tools to clean and avoid contact with surfaces. Doing the best we can do to help businesses stay running especially the hospitals.
I work for Schwans ( Red Baron)
We are all still out delivering to your grocers freezer and merchandising the shelves. From the start of the pandemic until the end of last week our shelves were blowing out daily. Which as you can guess put us smack dab in the middle of a sea of customers. This week it appears that people are staying home more. Seeing lots of face masks and gloves now.
I'm just wearing gloves religiously, washing and sanitizing constantly, and staying away from family.
Professional service business. Our employees are all off, getting paid for now but we'll soon have to make a decision as to whether its best for everyone to lay them off. I still work but calls and business are down at least 75%. If this lasts another month we'll be OK and I'll be super organized, if it goes beyond two months things get tight.
I would recommend you work as long as you can because there is no telling at this point when it will end. I am fortunate to be able to work from home, but I am not sure how long that is going to last.
If you are contemplating isolating yourself from your family, consider an Air BnB where you live. I know someone who was able to rent a property for a full week at what it normally costs for a single night because no one is travelling.
My company provides software and hardware for the consumer packaging and commercial printing industry. I am very lucky that this industry is thriving right now and most of my customers are slammed with business.
My professional advice to anyone working in a 'customer facing' business, now working from home is to use this time wisely to develop relationships with clients and prospects. Virtual meetings, phone and emails, act as a Trusted Advisor, not as a "salesperson". Improve your product and industry knowledge, get some home workouts in and stay healthy. Meditate and visualize the future. Come out of this pandemic, stronger and better equipped than we were before.
I am putting in more hours in a day since I wake up and start working instead of time usually spent getting kids dressed, fed, and out the door to drop them off and then time spent picking them up. Usually have some sporting event after that to get to as well.
My meetings have spiked again, where I can usually count on 6-7 hours booked up consistently. Not a huge change for that though, since customers are in Europe, coworkers are in Europe and Asia, and suppliers are in Asia.
I work for a municipal water department in a fairly large bedroom community to Columbus. My job has been deemed essential even though it isn't. We could function with one operator per plant and guys on call to do emergency repairs. We could even have crews alternate days like the local county engineer's office. Instead it is business as usual. We're supposed to be cleaning tools/equipment etc but (I don't know if you knew this) cleaning supplies are hard to come by right now! I posted details in another thread, but we're supposed to be screening ourselves for possible symptoms and fever before we come to work. We're expected to return after 3 days with no fever and 7 days removed from the onset of symptoms. Work itself is pretty much the same as usual except instead of everyone complaining they can't retire because of insurance cost, they're complaining about Corona. I really should have left government work years ago, but I'm too far in towards retirement now to leave. I think 90% of what we do is pointless. I'm like a much less manly Ron Swanson.
Berrien County says my two adult kids and I can end quarantine on Friday since we have been two weeks without symptoms. We take our temperature twice a day.
They will close my wife's case also because she is considered recovering, even though she is still taking albuterol treatments every 4 hours. She has had no fever since the weekend before her test. No retest for her. No test has ever been given to myself or my kids.
We are going to still social distance. My wife isn't going to leave the house until she doesn't need her treatments regardless.
I have been working from home at limited hours when I can.
I hope you all recover and sounds like you have a good plan. I'm frustrated because we think my wife has/had it (she has cold symptoms and has lost smell/taste), but they aren't testing ANYONE in our home county. In the meantime, I can't stay home from work unless I use vacation time. Even if I am told to stay home by a doctor, I'll get up to 10 days off and then I'll have to return to work or use my own time. I have yearly allergy/sinus problems, so even if I have symptoms it could just be that. Maybe I'm selfish, but I don't want to burn through all my time off to keep from spreading something I may not even have! Plus things are still supposed to get worse, so do I use my time now and then HAVE to work when it's super bad? There's so much conflicting information and anecdotal stories out there it's hard to know what to do.
as long as UPS, FedEx and whatever freight companies are still making deliveries i get to come into work because i'm the only warehouse person at our location (company has 20 plus locations across the country)... all office staff is working from home unless they have to come into the office to get something. our techs have been able to come in so they can go to the one job site that is still open but they were the only trade on site...
since i work for an A/V company my deliveries can very small or very large... and when the warehouse is only about 5000 sq feet it gets full fast and because all of our customers job site are closed we can't move any of the equipment right now...
Im in marketing for a b2b SaaS company....so working remote is not a huge factor for the most of the company, outside of some sales roles.
problem we are facing now is people are working way too many hours and are getting worn out. Need to coach the younger in career folks that just because your manager is online early/late, does not mean you have to be. We respect the effort but this is going to be a while, so need to protect against that as well.