Theory: Iowa's defense contributes to their offense being so bad

Submitted by mgoblue_in_bay on December 6th, 2023 at 12:41 AM

Since its weeks until the next game, it seems like posts are pretty open, so hopefully this qualifies as an acceptable idea.

It's often discussed that your defensive style and performance is influenced by your offense - if your offense is tough and heavy run, your defense will be well practiced against this style.  On one hand this makes sense (those are the folks you spend a lot of practice time against), but on the other hand it seems kinda silly - you should practice defense so you can beat your opponents, who may or may not play the same style of offense you do.

So - Iowa.  Imagine a world where Iowa's offense is actually ranked in say, the 80-100 range = bad, but not record scrapingly abject.  How do they get better?  By practicing.  But they have to practice against the Iowa defense (or air, which I assume is less effective).

I'm imagining Iowa Offense vs Defense (even 1st team O vs 2nd team D) practices are not great places for their bad offense to learn, since no matter what they do the defense owns them.  Even if they identify issues in their offensive play and fix them, the Defense still continues to beat them (since their D is so good).  Lack of positive reinforcement (success during practice) then contributes to reduced learning.

I've never played organized football, or worked in the industry, so maybe it doesn't work that way.  But maybe it does?

redjugador24

December 6th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^

It contributes, but not in the way you laid out.  

Elite defense and bad coaching + execution on offense leads to even more uber-conservative strategy on offense.  Don't take risks, take what the defense gives you, punt, hope for a turnover, rinse and repeat.  When that "don't lose us the game" offensive strategy leads to (relative) team success, it becomes more deeply engrained as part of their culture and trickles through into recruiting, coaching hires, etc. 

They are not built to make explosive plays or play from behind, so when they are forced to it looks REALLY bad and makes their stats/metrics even worse.  So yes, having an elite D does make their offense worse.  

  

pdgoblue25

December 6th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^

The guy who people have wanted fired for his putrid offense was coaching his last game for a school he loves, and didn't run a single trick play even though he had nothing to lose.  Even Lloyd let if loose against Florida in his last game.

BlueGoM

December 6th, 2023 at 9:11 AM ^

you can address that by having your 1s on O go against your Def. 2s and 3s in practice.  You can make it a little less obvious by just rotating a lot of guys on defense during the practice.  However at some point you need to have your 1s go against your 1s.

It's not uncommon for one team to have one side of the ball be better than the other, but the disparity of Iowa's O and D this year was just nuts.

Fishbulb

December 6th, 2023 at 9:33 AM ^

The starting defense and starting offense don’t play against each other all week. They work against their scout teams simulating what their opponents tend to run. They are just bad on offense because they are poorly coached on that side of the ball AND don’t have playmakers. Georgia’s dominant defense a couple years ago didn’t affect their offense, as they had good coaching AND good players. That said, why do we give a shit about Iowa?

superstringer

December 6th, 2023 at 10:02 AM ^

The historic precedent for this is that players on Buddy Ryan’s Eagles teams had quipped that Buddy was so loving how his epically great D Line (Reggie White et al.) would run roughshod over the O during practices, the O was not in sync for the actual games. There is a definite tension there. 

But cmon. I-wa has no O bc (1) no talent and (2) shitty coaches. End stop. 

markusr2007

December 6th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^

If that were true, then Iowa's OC would have already replaced Deacon Hill with a more threatening mobile QB Marco Lainez (true frosh) and created an extra blocker for Leshon Williams and Kaleb Johnson.

They would have also replaced all their dropsies WRs and TEs as well with other players.

But that's were the theory falls down.

Iowa doesn't have the players on offense to replace anyone because the Ferentz Bros were incompetent in recruiting offensive players and for years.  Phil Parker is not incompetent. He turns 3-stars and 2-star players into a cohesive monster on D always every year.

Here's the thing - Brian Ferentz's departure (firing) is 4 years too late.  Iowa would be a top 10 team with almost anyone else recruiting, installing and calling plays for their offense.

Here's what Iowa fans already know too:

Phil Parker is already 60.

Kirk Ferentz is 68.  Brian was supposed to take over for Kirk.  Like Mike DeBord in 2008. 

Iowa will never course correct their offensive recruiting approach unless a new OC comes in with very different ideas and a lot more authority.   I suspect Kirk will resent and control whoever it is he is being forced to hire to replace Brian.  

 

 

Jonesy

December 6th, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^

This is nonsense, everybody knows that the best way to get better at something is to practice against someone better than you. By this logic Iowa's offense, by practicing against the best D in the country, is by far the best possible version it could be.