Thankful that we are not Coach Shopping this year

Submitted by Assemblyman Ro… on November 22nd, 2021 at 8:25 PM

With LSU, USC, and UF all open now, we'd probably be 4th in line at best for a coach. We have Jim below market value at this point and at least one or two hires are going to completely flame out and those programs will continue to be down. Beat Ohio and get us win #11

Jiml3901

November 22nd, 2021 at 9:19 PM ^

OSU has UPGRADED every single time they changed coaches since Woody

Earl Bruce-won a little

John Cooper-won a lot, couldn't beat Michigan

Jim Tressel-won a lot, beat Michigan 

Urban Meyer-won a lot, beat Michigan, took recruiting to elite levels

Ryan Day-wins a lot, beats Michigan, recruits at insane levels, elite offensive mind

Every other school has at least 1 dud coach in that time, but not OSU...

 

jimmyshi03

November 22nd, 2021 at 11:55 PM ^

When Earle Bruce is your worst hire in seven decades one of two things, or both, is true: 

A) You’re living a charmed existence (Meyer coming available for nothing the year after Tressel is ousted)

B) The job is essentially failure proof. You’re the only P5 in a large state that cares deeply about football. And its easy to first get those kids from there to want to come, and then you fill in elsewhere based on that success.

jmblue

November 23rd, 2021 at 6:57 AM ^

The key may have been their patience with John Cooper.  In his first five years he never won more than eight games, and went 0-4-1 against Michigan.  In today's era, they probably would have fired him at some point and may have gone into a Texas-like cycle of instability.  But they stuck it out and his program performed a lot better after that, until a little slipup at the end.  Tressel won it all with a team largely recruited by Cooper.  

bdneely4

November 22nd, 2021 at 10:41 PM ^

I am not sure the B1G has been any good at least since Day has been coach at OSU. The only team that for some reason thinks the B1G is great every year is the OSU fan base which’s weird to me. For some reason they actually think they need this conference to be good to make them look better. This is the team that gets about every 50/50 call (except when they don’t have B1G refs) out of anyone in the nation. I live in Ohio, am a bitter Michigan fan but there is a reason they are the most hated fan base in the country and it is not even close. 

Stuck in Lansing

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:48 PM ^

Michigan doesn't have a Jim Harbaugh problem, they have a "The second best program of the decade is our end of year rival" problem.

LSU is 1-10 vs Alabama in the last 11. They just aren't defined by that to the degree that M is with OSU. Part of that is the fact that they have time to change the narrative rather than having to live with it all offseason.

Hotel Putingrad

November 22nd, 2021 at 9:16 PM ^

Miles wasn't fired for his Alabama record. It was the rest of his record. And the point still stands, that if Michigan and OSU played the first weekend of November like Bama-LSU rather than the last weekend of November, they'd be finishing strong each year and likely winning their bowl games, which would mollify the overall rancor of the Harbaugh haters.

Z1ppz

November 22nd, 2021 at 10:52 PM ^

That is the head scratcher isn’t it. Since 2010 Michigan has had only 4-5 real shots winning one of them in 2011. If you are within a score everyear your chances of winning increase. So I would argue the biggest issue isn’t Michigan losing it’s that the margins are not tightening.

poseidon7902

November 23rd, 2021 at 9:17 AM ^

I have a friend who does this.  After last year he was beyond done with Harbaugh.  I am one of the "Who else do you get" people.  I'm looking at a 10 win season and can't fathom how that's a fireable offense.  I remember when everyone mocked Nebraska for getting rid of Pelini and he was a consistent winner, but not someone who was going to get them a championship.  I understand why people want more, but I also don't understand the risk in having another Rich Rod or a Frost equivalent.  

aa_squared

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:32 PM ^

...at least one or two hires are going to completely flame out and those programs will continue to be down...

I can think of one university north of Ann Arbor that will have a coach that flames out.

Fishbulb

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:35 PM ^

Yes, but there are some hidden gems out there. The coach at San Diego State has them at 10-1. I’d bet he’d jump at the chance to come to Michigan. Hell—he’d probably even walk here. 

Teddy Bonkers

November 22nd, 2021 at 9:10 PM ^

I was oblivious to how well he was doing this season, happy for the guy. I wish him nothing but the best.

Hopefully Jim will continue to crank out 10 and 10+ win seasons for awhile, but if Hoke got a second shot at being Michigan's head coach I wonder if it would turn out pretty well. Maybe he just wasn't ready for the job at the time, kind of like Luke Fickell his season as head coach at OSU, Fickell is looking like one of the best options for a power 5 school with a vacancy. 

los barcos

November 22nd, 2021 at 10:15 PM ^

I know it’s not a popular opinion around here but I think Hoke could have been good without Dave Brandon meddling around. Whether that was consistent 9-3 or 11-1, we will never know, but I think there’s definitely something to leadership across the entire university that creates success (or failure) and Dave Brandon was a total disaster in that way. Look at Texas now - every institutional advantage but their AD is kinda a crack pot.

bronxblue

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:40 PM ^

Hell, Texas didn't have much competition last year and they still wound up with an underwhelming guy in Sark.  I totally get in the abstract why a team like MSU wants to keep Tucker, even if I don't expect him to come close to earning his possible salary - it's going to be insane in terms of schools trying to nab a top guy and starting over with your 3rd coach in 4 years would be awful.  He's incredibly fortunate that this was the year he got lucky.

samsoccer7

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:46 PM ^

We hear earning his salary all the time. As long as he’s not below .500 more than a year at a time he’ll be worth whatever they want to pay essentially. Football makes a ton of money by itself, not to mention college applications, enrollment, etc. It’s peanuts. And I don’t think MSU cares about optics as much as many other schools.

MGlobules

November 22nd, 2021 at 8:50 PM ^

WE might be the lucky ones if he gets locked into an enormous contract and MSU has to hang onto him. . . or if they suffer the kind of anger they well should if and when he fails, expensively, while his university is trying to scrape together the scratch to keep labs and classrooms equipped, etc.