TCU Snowflakes: The Refs

Submitted by mi93 on December 31st, 2022 at 8:19 PM

How about a place for the ref show?  Spot before the Roman TD, the TD, the targeting. More?

clown question

December 31st, 2022 at 8:34 PM ^

What every reporter should be asking:

During the targeting review, what did the ref say to the other official that required them to intentionally cover their mouths to the camera?

Rico

December 31st, 2022 at 8:35 PM ^

As bad as I've seen. TCU got screwed multiple times as well like with the roughing the passer call, but not to the degree of Michigan having the TD taken away.

umich1

January 1st, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^

I also noticed some mechanics I didn’t like, as well as on the last DPI on TCU, did you notice the field judge was right there to make the call (but didn’t) and the flag came from across the field from the back judge?  I would love to hear what the FJ was thinking.

swalburn

December 31st, 2022 at 8:39 PM ^

We didn't deserve to win but it just puts a bad taint on the game.  I just don't understand how you overturn that TD.  Just an ugly night for everyone.

lhglrkwg

December 31st, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^

Michigan got completely screwed twice but made so many other mistakes that Im not losing a ton of sleep over refs. The pick sixes and failed red zone trips and running game disaster is what Ill be thinking about when I remember this game. So many chances to win this game decisively

ppudge

December 31st, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^

The thing about replay that is most infuriating - it was put in place to overturn horrendous calls so a team doesn’t get screwed.  But now it is used to judge EVERY CLOSE PLAY.  And that just needs to stop since most replay officials have no idea what the term indisputable means.

TheJuiceman

December 31st, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^

Bad, but I can't blame the refs when we had chances to overcome and didn't.  4 downs to work with after the Bell TD robbery and this mf chose Mullins. As the Hback no less. On 1st down. Absolutely fucking terrible. Why does he like Mullins so much???? 

denardogasm

December 31st, 2022 at 8:46 PM ^

This officiating, in the college football playoff when the officials should be at the top of their game, was absolutely embarrassing all around.

Spot prior to the Wilson touchdown was absurd.

Wilson touchdown AT BEST should have stood as called on the field.  The fact that they reversed that almost instantly raises serious questions about the refs' abilities.

There was no possible way there was enough on the second reviewed touchdown to reverse it.

If you're going to review the final play for targeting, then how in the FUCK does that not constitute targeting.  Defender staring at the ground and driving the crown of his helmet into the base of the receiver's neck while his shoulder lands squarely on the head.  Either reverse it or don't review it. The refs were obviously discussing "can we possibly change the outcome of this game by calling a targeting? I don't have the nuts to make the correct call.  Let's pretend it was clean."

Also I think there were two flags that they picked up not counting the one that he meant to throw the fumble bag, and the obvious PI where two DBs tackled I think Bell before the ball got there was thrown by the guy 30 yards away instead of the guy 5 yards away!  Seemed like the refs were just in WAY over their heads.

Game plan sucked ass. Defense missed tackles. Q Johnson was unstoppable. OLine got manhandled by a Dline that had no business blowing them back. AND the refs fucked us in a one score game.  Even if we want to be neutral about this, TCU got a bullshit roughing the passer call and the C. Johnson catch was pretty clearly not a catch.  For a crew to be this bad in the CFP is a joke.

 

Qmatic

December 31st, 2022 at 10:40 PM ^

Couple things that really irked me just from officiating stance and not how they impact the game:

1. If that Wilson catch occurs on the sideline they would have said he didn’t have full control in bounds and ruled it incomplete, but since it’s in the endzone they don’t treat it the same way.

2. The “can we call this targeting at this point of the game?” Should never be a thougnt. Targeting is supposed to be the most clear cut call regardless of when in the game for safety purposes. If it can be subjective based on when it occurs, then ditch the rule and stfu with the “player safety” facade

Venom7541

December 31st, 2022 at 8:51 PM ^

I never liked review, especially on every play. It should be more of a challenge system than an every play thing. But, after another 2 travesties in completely failed review, get rid of it all together. 

RJWolvie

December 31st, 2022 at 9:09 PM ^

There was also a horribly egregious helmet to helmet hit on their long punt return. Our guy laid flat on his back by the head hit. Don’t think it affected the play, but it was clearly a penalty

brad

December 31st, 2022 at 9:17 PM ^

Those are enough.  Taking the clear and obvious, called on the field, touchdown off the board was criminal.  I hope the booth official receives a cosmic talking-to one day.  

mtzlblk

December 31st, 2022 at 10:07 PM ^

Don't try to pin this on the refs..... The game was there to be had, despite the setbacks, despite whatever you want to call it, the team folded multiple times on both sides of the ball and did not bring the game home.

 

It's that simple

MGoBlue96

January 1st, 2023 at 1:43 AM ^

Both can be true at the same time, could UM have overcame it with less mistakes including punching it in after still,  absolutely. Does that get that replay official off the hook and mean he shouldn't be held accountable for overturning a td that had no business being overturned on any planet, hell no. Not to mention spotting the INT wrong and he didn't buzz down to the fix the spot either.

lmgoblue1

December 31st, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^

Fuck those referees. They have no excuse for the missed game changing no-touchdown and the no-targeting call. Fuck them. Sorry Not Sorry. Fix was on. Soft and pure. Well done. Effective.

MGoBlue96

January 1st, 2023 at 1:53 AM ^

I mean I get UM could have still won without making their own mistakes, that is 100% true. But replay officials in particular can not fuck up something that large when there is absolutely zero reason to overturn the call on the field. Also don't forget he could have also buzzed down and corrected the spot being off by 2 yards on Int immediately before. And then a targeting is a targeting regardless of when it happens.

I honestly don't have too much to say about the onfield officials besides the INT spot,  the roughing called on TCU and picking up the one block in the back penalty that looked obvious to me (though no replay was shown), but I don't give leeway to replay officials who fuck something up so royally when that is not a real time call. Dude should honestly have to explain to a media person word for word what his rational was and if he understands when a catch is completed. Two games in two years where UM had a td taken away in a game where the replay official seems to be the only one in the building who doesn't know what is required to overturn something. 

slimj091

January 1st, 2023 at 2:29 AM ^

I was always taught to not put yourself in the position to allow the ref's to decide the game for you. Too many turnovers that turned into points for TCU. Too many bad coaching decisions. Too many missed tackles. The good news is that this team is still young, and barring a complete meltdown over the off season they should be able to make it back to the playoff and hopefully learned something from this loss.

I will say however that the decision to not call that blatant targeting in the final 30 seconds was really a weird one. I mean that was as text book as text book can get, and the replay official was like "man Michigan probably isn't going to score, and I've got a New Years party to get to".