Swedish Fishiness [LOCKED]

Submitted by BroadneckBlue21 on October 17th, 2020 at 1:32 PM

https://apple.news/AJeh22SAHSfGHwiblOadZxQ

TIME article: “The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World“ by KELLY BJORKLUND

 

Basically,

1. Sweden continues to have cases rise. 
2. High rate of death per capita.

3. 60% more infection rates in schools than out 

4. Three times child ICU rates than neighboring countries.

5. Only 11% of population has been infected, ending this mythical idea of herd mentality

6. Only 13% of seniors who died of Covid were given hospital care 

7. Internal ministry conversations about financial worries of a mask mandate/cheaping out on precautions and marketing of it.

 

Other issues. 

[Time to lock this one up. Plenty of time has been allowed for members of the MGoBoard to post their thoughts on the subject matter presented by the OP. 

Besides that, though, plenty of MGoUsers have clearly posted that now is the time to put in place the annual football season restrictions on OT posts. 

It's time.  ---rob f)

Zarkin Frood

October 17th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^

There are unlimited numbers of people that you can discuss Covid issues with on Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook. This is a Michigan sports blog. 

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Dailysportseditor

October 17th, 2020 at 2:41 PM ^

The Pandemic is the biggest story in college football this season.  You just can’t discuss college football issues now and ignore the elephant in the room.  The Swedish experiment has been a failure, yet a few politicians still think herd immunity is a solution.  Herd immunity didn’t work against the Plague or the 1918 Flu Pandemic.  It wasn’t used to combat HIV, hepatitis or measles.  We could still lose the Big Ten season this year because a few participants on a few teams adopt the herd immunity mantra, get infected and spread the virus.

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XtremeUMich

October 17th, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^

And yet even though their population is larger than the State of Michigan they have fewer infections and fewer deaths than we do! How about them apples?? And now back to football!

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KO Stradivarius

October 17th, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^

I used to love Swedish Fish but they changed the recipe or something and the texture isn’t the same as the good gummies they used to be.  Another vestige of my childhood lost.

Am I doing this right?

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mackbru

October 17th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^

Don’t really understand statistics or epidemiology, do you? 
Apples, meet oranges. 

Michigan’s main problem is that it didn’t lock down sooner. Once it did, numbers plummeted. Also Michigan’s population is older, fatter, and unhealthier than Sweden’s, and it’s population is more densely packed. And Swedes do socially distance.  They don’t consider mask-wearing a communist plot. And if you compare the death rates from the point at which Michigan locked down, Sweden’s is higher. 

These conclusions are widely acknowledged among health experts. But, hey, I’m sure you know better. 

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blue in dc

October 17th, 2020 at 3:27 PM ^

Michigan also has almost three times the population density and in comparison to its neighbors Sweden did much worse than Michigan
 

Sweden - 585 deaths per million

Denmark - 117 deaths per million

Finland - 63 deaths per million

Norway - 51 deaths per million

 

Illinois - 746 deaths per million

Michigan - 733 deaths per million

Indiana - 582 deaths per million

Ohio - 434 deaths per million

Wisconsin - 270 deaths per million

 

 

 

 

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BoFan

October 17th, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^

Since the OP was about heard immunity, everyone must be aware that because they had such great success at the Rose Garden they are now thinking about going Bigly with heard immunity as a national strategy.  
 

In other news the school district my buddy works for as an administrator said they haven’t had any problems with school being in session on site. I asked how they handle the testing and he said they don’t test at all.  That’s up to each family. They do have small cohorts on occasion that have to quarantine for two weeks and they do temperature and similar symptom checks. But, there has been no in school spreading.  I asked how could they achieve that without daily real time testing, even the white house with all the resources and expertise in the world couldn’t  that.  And he said masks are mandatory. They have a zero tolerance policy on masks.  Some parents have protested but so far so good.  So simple.

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blueheron

October 17th, 2020 at 1:50 PM ^

Sweden: A lovely and interesting country reduced, in these COVID-19 times, to a fucking dog whistle.

As our fearless leader might say, "Sad."

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ThePonyConquerer

October 17th, 2020 at 1:51 PM ^

I’m probably gonna get negged but Swedish Fish (the candy) aren’t that great.

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BoFan

October 17th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^

I too had hoped this would be about fish. On my first visit to Sweden it seemed that each course at dinner was another type of fish. Pickled herring was the worst. The other thing about Sweden at that time was that each course included some kind of alcohol. And these were company dinners. So yes, Swedish Fishiness is what I remember.  

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bronxblue

October 17th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^

We've long entered into the no-OT season for this board, but none of this reporting particularly surprises me.

Also, more relevant to the Big 10 season, fully expect cases and deaths to rise in the coming months and, as a result, Michigan will wind up only playing road games against top-25 teams for the season.

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1WhoStayed

October 17th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

How Sweden's COVID-19 mortality rate compares to other large, wealthy countries

This section tells me all I need to know about the agenda from this writer... I noticed that Belgium is omitted from the table. Despite population being 11 million - which is over twice the population of Ireland which is listed. That was an obvious omission. I don’t have the inclination to dig deeper.

I’m not a COVID denier by any means. Bit I’m tired of agenda based articles which misrepresent FACTS that are easily available.

Sweden may have gone the wrong path. But we won’t know until the pandemic is really over. 

And everyone knows it isn’t over just because the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

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rob f

October 17th, 2020 at 3:22 PM ^

While I think I understand your point, I do want to point out that it doesn't read, "... compares to all large wealthy countries", so I'm not nearly so inclined to read an agenda into it at all. Nor am I going to research further into the data on Belgium or any of the other countries not mentioned, of which there are many.   I don't, for instance, see a definition included of what constitutes a "large" or "wealthy" country. 

One large overriding fact also not mentioned is that nearly all the countries at or near the top of the death rate chart got hit very early in the pandemic before any type of viable treatment plan had been developed for this novel virus. 

Much more important right now is that the #s that matter most (other than death rate compared to the # of all positive tests) are trending badly in the wrong direction right now, and when combined with the fact we're now entering cold and flu season, it doesn't bode well for our health system. And I'll stop right there except for the following:

 

I'm not going to delete the thread but I am strongly inclined to lock it up soon. The linked piece, imperfections and all, stands up well enough on it own merits to remain posted, IMO.

After all, I have yet to see an official post that OT season is over.  In years past, I believe LSA or Seth or someone on the staff has posted an OP the weekend prior to Michigan's first game. Being one week away, if we're not officially there yet, then at least unofficially at this point, OT season should be ending this weekend. 

(edit @ 3:40 pm: I forgot to add something that I fully intended to include.  

At this point as we finally  approach the B1G season, I think we all would much rather discuss sports in general and Michigan Football in particular. Amirite?)

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xtramelanin

October 17th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^

Gosh I wish I had a Facebook account. I could have so many more of these neato keen discussions. Can anybody help me out?

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xtramelanin

October 17th, 2020 at 3:09 PM ^

I have a A feeling that’  #xml’means some thing. However, I am so unhip it might as well be Mandarin Chinese alphabet.

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BornInA2

October 17th, 2020 at 3:10 PM ^

Their response was spectacularly bad. And yet, the U.S. passed them in death rate in mid-August. Because there's nothing that someone else can do badly that he can't do more bigly badly.

Data from JHU, in case anyone is wondering.

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