Supporter of Georgia HS FB powerhouse records HS coach, implicates Alabama and UGa
Headline says it all.
FTA:
"...Propst suggested that the Georgia Bulldogs and Alabama Crimson Tide pay recruits $90,000 to $150,000 to sign with them. Propst also suggested a Georgia booster paid former Bulldogs star running back Nick Chubb a total of $180,000 in three installments to return to the team for his senior season in 2017."
"...Propst tells Nelson that he needs "funny money" to pay for rent for players' families who want to move to Valdosta... During the recording, Propst suggested that when he was coaching at Hoover, the city's police department gave him cash confiscated in drug raids on Interstate 20."
"During that deposition, Nelson told Brent Savage, one of the Rodemakers' attorneys, that Propst sought the Touchdown Club's help in paying $2,500 in monthly rent for four-star quarterback Jake Garcia's family to move from California to Valdosta."
I'm not saying that what he's claiming didn't happen. I know, of course, that this is how the SEC does things. I'm just saying that without corroborating evidence, it's very easy for people at Alabama, Georgia, and the SEC to say that not only does Propst have no way of having first-hand knowledge of his claims, but that he is a known liar, so there is no reason to believe his allegations.
All of this is right, the only thing missing is it isn't just the SEC, everyone does it
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^
Tell us who at U of M or, say, northwestern got paid and how much. You have said this before but I don’t believe you’ve ever provided specifics. Please dish now.
March 23rd, 2021 at 12:50 PM ^
Not "everyone" - probably not even half of "everyone" because they couldn't afford it (and/or not worth the return)... and, you know, some people actually have ethics.
So does this mean we’re looking at another Missouri bowl ban?
This just in..........Judge throws out the case concerning Alabama because......Roll Tide! This is how I see this ending.
Will anyone even bother to ask Emmert what he thinks of this? Ask him if they will investigate it?
Emmert: "Nothing to see here. Move along"
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^
Emmert: weeellll, we're gonna have to comb through this 4,000 page document word for word, at one word per day just to be extra careful. Expect a swift and decisive response in 15 years.
Old news. Probst has a very checkered past as well. Alabama paying someone has nothing to do with the fact that Harbaugh lost control of his program last year and had to overhaul his entire program for 2021. Michigan has good players as well but very poorly coached.
It is a great article but it isn't really about football, its about Southern Culture. Its far from a smoking gun as Nub, the ex-coach who recorded him is fairly certain that Propst was just talking out of his ass. We all know what goes on, but this is the most hear say thing possible.
Read it though, its pretty great.
What a dumbass stereotype comment and your ass probably hasn’t been out of your parents basement in Michigan.
Change the rules or enforce the rules. It’s just a joke.
That's it? Seems pretty clean for $EC.
Find some dead hookers, weapons sales or sex slave trafficking here if you want a story.
Funny $ and some corrupt yocal cops bagging for the footbaw team is par for the course.
Wait, so the coach who was willing to whore out his high school kids to MTV in the 2000s, was exposed for having TWO wives and families simultaneously in different states, was fired from two different HS powerhouse jobs (one for allegedly changing grades, plus the whole "has another family in another state" thing; the other for allegedly giving players pills while misusing booster funds) is now in trouble at a THIRD football powerhouse while--again--being exposed as a total piece of shit?
This is my shocked face.
Do you guys realize we're probably one of the only programs that even cares about this? I feel like we're sitting on the side of the freeway with a radar gun and every car that passes us going faster than 65 MPH we're recording their licence plate number and sending the plate and radar gun evidence of their "crime" to the state highway patrol and expect tickets to be handed out to the scofflaws travelling in speeds over 65 MPH after the fact.
Nobody gives a shit about this but us and maybe a handful of other schools which is why nothing is being done about it.
+1 scofflaws
Many (most?) people in the general public don't "care" about it because they don't know what goes on. Keep bringing this to light and having media discuss it eventually compels action... maybe not a full solution, but at least something.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
haha...
the NCAA will do nothing - you could literally have Saban handing out bags of money to recruits on 5th Avenue, and nothing would happen as a result.
the NCAA is gutless, toothless and feckless.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:07 AM ^
While I have many questions about possible corrupt practices entrenched in southern society that enables seamless money laundering from police drug raids to football recruits, the most obvious question to me is why in the hell are UGA football family members demanding moving help and living expenses for Valdosta, GA?! That's like four hours away from Athens and the UGA campus. And extreme southern Georgia doesn't strike me as a place where many California transplants aspire to live.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
Valdosta is actually a pretty nice little college town, and it is very close to Florida and the panhandle, which is beautiful. Also, if you want to get recruited by high powered SEC and ACC programs, it makes a lot of sense.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^
Valdosta is the all time winningest high school football program in the nation. Also one of the crookedest, allegedly.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^
Ahhh...I just assumed these were big-time Univ. of Georgia players and couldn't understand the lure of moving to Valdosta when Athens is a 4 hour drive away. If it's the Valdosta High School pipeline (as others have now mentioned throughout this thread), then it makes complete sense.
And in no way did I intend to demean the town of Valdosta. I'm sure it's a charming place. But it just seemed strange for Californians to relocate to Valdosta, especially under my apparently false impression that their son would be playing for the University of Georgia 4 hours away!
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
SEC teams dropping bags?
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
Ok, cool. Hook'em
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:23 AM ^
We could pay recruits way more than that.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
I guess Michigan just needs to start advocating for some kind of pay the players system because it's obvious there already is a black market system to pay players in the south (and elsewhere certainly). Absolutely no one down there cares because winning is everything and the NCAA isn't going to do a thing about it. It's either get a way to level the playing field or watch this continue to happen
And we know if Michigan tried to pay players, we would be the one big school to be punished because our local media would turn on us in a heartbeat and our admin would play along. This Propst guy is going to be getting threats down there
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
If anything comes of this, it'll be from the police department providing confiscated money. It's one thing for boosters to pony up from their own pockets. It's quite another for local law enforcement to become involved in a material way. I'm not talking about looking the other way when Jameis Winston sticks a package of crab legs down his sweats. Lawyers will now start looking at previous convictions in a new light, claiming their client was targeted because the football "booster" fund was running low. That's the crossover to where the feds can get involved.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:01 AM ^
I don't think you know how this sort of thing works.
Cops do a drug bust and say the guy has $20k on him.
Cops offer to pretend there wasn't a drug bust at all if the guy pretends there wasn't any money anywhere.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:21 AM ^
It's worse than that - seizure laws pretty much allow police forces to take almost anything they want. Once they have the assets, though, state/federal law proclaims that the loot should be used for the public good, which, theoretically, does not include enabling high school/college pay for play schemes.
I suspect the use of seized assets could result in felonies against the various police officials involved. If, you know, anyone cares enough to go after some poor schmuck who's just trying to help out the local team...
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
Yea, no shit
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^
Every school give extra benefits to players. I don't even care about this anymore. It's common knowledge.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:41 AM ^
You missed the best lines in the article. Nelson, trying to get off the phone with the reporter:
"I'm in here with one arm trying to fry some chicken."
Then when the reporter thinks it's a euphemism,
"Really, I do have one arm, and I'm frying chicken right now. Can you call back?"
March 23rd, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
Everyone knows "One-Armed Willie's" makes the best fried chicken in Tuscaloosa.
Their $5 Big Bag Special is the favorite of all the Bama football players.
March 23rd, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^
Just be wary of the chicken fingers
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^
Glad someone said it. I don't have the time to read the article yet. Is this coach on the record and willing to tell the NCAA with names and instances with proof? If not, nothing will come of it.
Doesn't matter really. This coach is so crooked if he tried spelling Mississippi it'd have no vowels.
No one will believe anything he says, and it's all hearsay.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^
Entirely, completely unsurprised. Except maybe that it's only two SEC schools involved.
College football is being ruined by corruption; it's become about who is best at cheating.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
SEC CHEATS......HIDENBURG CRASHES!!!! MAN LANDS ON MOON!!
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
It's all true I'm sure and also a nothing burger.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
Sadly, nothing of substance will come of this. I'm sure UGa and Alabama will deny it, say this wasn't something they knew, etc. And because the SEC makes everyone money it'll be pushed under the rug.
Again, all of these are just breaking rules the NCAA set (except for the failure to pay taxes part, which is why situations like LSU become big-deal investigations), so at some point I hope the NCAA recognizes this and transitions to a more realistic model where teams and players can share the wealth they generate fairly.
March 23rd, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^
At most they may have to vacate a win or two from Chubbs time. But probably still too harsh of a penalty for the NCAA to hand down to their precious SEC. Georgia State may lose a few scholarships though.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^
Not sure how it makes sense to think that a RB who was draft eligible and highly regarded would decide to forego NFL cash and instead play his senior year in college for $180,000.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
lets not forget LSU BB coach caught red handed ON TAPE and yet what has the NCAA done to them after what 2 years???? the NCAA is and will always be a total JOKE wioth ;little to zero credibility...its time to Gut the NCAA and starrt from scratch
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^
Get Michael Rothstein on the case. If that douchebag can raise so much tumult against Michigan over 10 minutes of extra practice, imagine what he'd be able to do with this.
March 23rd, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^
That investigation is turning into a badge of honor for Michigan
every time this gets brought back up, and thinking about this article and the SEC, I get just as mad as the day that ruling came out.
Its good vs evil in the NCAA. If you cheat and have been cheating they want to keep it that way...if you are relatively clean and dont drop bags they want to keep it that way as well...good vs evil
Just surprised the IRS doesn't come knockin and do mass audits...but they will do that to small business trying to stay open, or go after the fuckin grinders out there busting ass to make a living.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
Everyone knows that CFB recruiting involves cash payments and material favors to recruits & families.
But it seems unrealistic to expect the NCAA to go after any of the offending institutions at the same time they're facing public and even political pressure to allow payments for players. The public has been sending the message to the NCAA for several years now that it's more or less broadly in favor of players getting paid and as a result no-one is particularly upset about such practices, even if they might technically be illegal a lot of times.
Of course, hidden payments in violation of the rules have a different market dynamic than an open bidding system. And even if you're in favor of players being paid it's obvious that the payment schemes often are set up in a way that would be deemed corrupt and in line with organized crime practices in regular industries like say construction.
But open legalization of payments would bring about a necessary total restructuring of the entire CFB system with many losers, and it doesn't seem like there's the necessary political muscle behind that either. So we're in that in-between phase where payments are widely made and more or less tolerated but officially still prohibited with strong potential penalties attached. Michigan simply needs to adapt to that reality.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:25 AM ^
Isn’t the implication of the article that the coach made the claims about Bama and UGA as false boast in order to leverage his own position, rather than a statement of fact? Pretty thin.
March 23rd, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
"the city's police department gave him cash confiscated in drug raids on Interstate 20."
Coach: "How do we funnel illicit, hard-to-trace cash to my star players & their families?"
Booster: "Simple. We'll give the cash in paper sacks to my flunkies, who will drive up and down I-20. I'll call the city cops and tell them a particular vehicle is involved in drug dealing on I-20, and they'll stop the "dealer" and secretly confiscate the cash without recording it in the case log. The cops will then say there's no evidence of money or drugs, my flunky will be let go with no formal arrest, and we'll repeat the process next month."
March 23rd, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^
NCAA be like "ha, yeah we knew this already...OLD NEWS. We took away some lunch time in the end"