Stupid Person Questions: The What-If?
Okay, okay, so we've heard a lot of talk that Hoke is 99.99% not likely to be back next year. We've heard people try to defend him even when they want him gone. We've seen apologists and defenders. 95% of Michigan fans probably want to see him gone.
What we haven't seen, regrettably, is a post about delicous food from MMMgoBBQ or timely UFRS*, so let us pass time by arguing about stupid things:
There are also rumblings that Schissel is more interested in graduation rates than on-field success. So let us pretend, here, that to the delight of very few Hoke is retained for the 2015 season.
What do you do then? Cancel your tickets? Bring out your pitchforks (likely you still are weilding them)? Does it make you "less of a fan" if you decide to "take a season off."
I am in a minority that would probably do nothing different: still attend any game I can afford the time to, and watch every game not interupted by (stupid) friend's weddings.
*UFRs are like crack to me, they are the reason I keep coming back here even when I don't agree with "the agenda"
EDIT: I'm a stupid person, and bye weeks usually mean late UFRs. Just give me that crack
November 13th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
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November 13th, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^
Fourth Quarter, but you have to like the proclamation of 103,111!
November 13th, 2014 at 12:51 PM ^
Self-immolation.
Ed: Hm, that does seem a bit extreme after re-reading it.
November 13th, 2014 at 5:53 PM ^
I have a fan :)
November 13th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^
Why do you do things?
November 13th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
Honestly, assuming no life changes between now and then I wouldn't do anything differently. I'd still be supporting the team. I'd still go to games that I could get to. I'd still watch on TV when I don't have a hard conflict. I'd still get excited at the opener and at the big games and at the chance to be cheering in the stadium (even if my seats aren't quite as spectacular as this year).
What would be different is how I feel. If Hoke were to return I'd spend much of the offseason not caring much about football. I wouldn't have a lot of hope for the future of the program, and I'd be pretty certain that one way or another he'd be gone at the end of next season. The choice of a great athletic director could ameliorate some of this, but the malaise would still be there. If things looked good at the start of next season I'd be back in it (albeit cautiously) and at the first sign of trouble I'd again think it's time to pull the plug.
Ultimately for me, as a fan. Short of voicing my concerns or perhaps not going to games. There's very little that I can do to effect any kind of change in the program. What I can affect is the fanbase. I can cheer, I can yell, and I can do a part to make the Big House the best place to play year in and year out.
For me, it's a question of trying to accept the things I have no control over, working to change the things I can, and knowing where the difference is.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^
a little older, a little more confused!
November 13th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^
the schedule and the futility already displayed, I would probably find other things to do when the game is played, record it and wtach it after wards ONLY if it turned out to be good. Wasting 3+ hours on a Saturday to watch this unwatchable crapfest against next season would qualify as the definition of insanity....To say that no president would let this top tier program slip into medicrity... Ummm, it's already there. But Schiss would have a lot to answer for if he kept Hoke and came out and said that graduation rates and changing the tide of the power that college football has over universities by de-emphasizing the results on the field would be his kiss of death to his presidency. (Not saying that is his plan at all). Having a productive and winning football program is doable, see ND lately and Stanford.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^
in various sports both on and off campus, and I have always been impressed by their poise, characte and good-naturedness. I don't think that this is a unique perspective. And I don't think that it's odd that Michigan gets these kind of people, because the athletic programs look for well-rounded people who are also athletes.
President Schissel isn't seeking to start a revolution, he just wants to find a way to make sports and the academic world more copisectic with campus life. He's primarily concerned with the student experience, broadening educational opportunity and fulfilling his larger mission at the university. The fact that the football program is the front porch and its foundation is in need of repair at the moment, gives this new guy a chance to air some ideas that haven't been heard from a Michigan president in quite awhile.
I think he's a flexible and practical guy who wants to rebuild the Athletic Department in a way that helps bridge the gap he has described in his recent remarks.
I don't know when school presidents are going to get around to it along with conference commissioners, but they ought to acknowledge the obvious and just admit that schools recruit athletes to excel at their sport, and they do that because culturally and otherwise, college sports has become great entertainment with a high return especially in football and basketball. So why not just give those student athletes the opportunity while at school to either become full-time or parttime students during their scholarship years, and then allow them to complete their education later, if necessary.
That ought to be a tradeoff everyone can live with and then certain kids who aren't such great students and who may not be fully academically qualiifed for the rigors of a fulltime course load, can come back to their studies when they are fully prepared to concentrate on that. This would at least remove the guilt and the apparent effort to direct guys to less difficult classwork just to meet an arbitrary standard that only satisfies a bureaucratic need than actual academic achievement.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^
in various sports both on and off campus, and I have always been impressed by their poise, characte and good-naturedness. I don't think that this is a unique perspective. And I don't think that it's odd that Michigan gets these kind of people, because the athletic programs look for well-rounded people who are also athletes.
President Schissel isn't seeking to start a revolution, he just wants to find a way to make sports and the academic world more copisectic with campus life. He's primarily concerned with the student experience, broadening educational opportunity and fulfilling his larger mission at the university. The fact that the football program is the front porch and its foundation is in need of repair at the moment, gives this new guy a chance to air some ideas that haven't been heard from a Michigan president in quite awhile.
I think he's a flexible and practical guy who wants to rebuild the Athletic Department in a way that helps bridge the gap he has described in his recent remarks.
I don't know when school presidents are going to get around to it along with conference commissioners, but they ought to acknowledge the obvious and just admit that schools recruit athletes to excel at their sport, and they do that because culturally and otherwise, college sports has become great entertainment with a high return especially in football and basketball. So why not just give those student athletes the opportunity while at school to either become full-time or parttime students during their scholarship years, and then allow them to complete their education later, if necessary.
That ought to be a tradeoff everyone can live with and then certain kids who aren't such great students and who may not be fully academically qualiifed for the rigors of a fulltime course load, can come back to their studies when they are fully prepared to concentrate on that. This would at least remove the guilt and the apparent effort to direct guys to less difficult classwork just to meet an arbitrary standard that only satisfies a bureaucratic need than actual academic achievement.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:32 PM ^
I will stop following recruiting, that's for sure.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^
You didn't post for awhile?
November 13th, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 2:20 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^
Why am I supposed to support my alma mater's pathetic football program? Because Hoke is a nice guy? No coaching staff has done so little with so much.
November 13th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^
And who pray tell would be the magical coach that would appear in 2015? It'll be the exact same as this year. After our last two hires, I can pretty much guarantee we will only hire an established coach, doubt they'd risk hiring OC/DC for a head coach job or a one year wonder HC at a lower level, so what exactly does waiting another year accomplish? Would the names next year be any different?
November 13th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
Since you asked...
I very much doubt I do anything different in such a scenario actually. I can be the fan that I am contain what would be simmering disocntent if it turned out to be the case that Hoke was still here in 2015, as unlikely as that seems given current data. That being said, I still don't understand entirely the second-guessing of Schlissel at the moment - I could be wrong here, but that speaks more to the fears most of us undoubtedly have about where things might lead than to anything substantive that has been done / not done.
November 13th, 2014 at 5:00 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^
I have a six year old son...
all he does is ask 'what if' questions all day...
he is six...
his questions are better than yours.
that is all.
November 13th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^
I will most likely pay a great deal of money for season tickets and only actually go to two or three games.
There is no way I give up my season tickets. I've waited a while for the opportunity to buy them.
It'll come back.
I look forward to being a very silver topped old man and taking my grand nephew to his first game and telling him how I was a student for every season of the "Rich Rod era."
This too shall pass.
November 13th, 2014 at 5:44 PM ^
I'll do what I've done since Hoke was initially hired...contribute no money to the university, attend no athletic events and continue to profess my disgust for hiring this incompetent buffoon.
And yes, I did contribute and did attend football games every year since the late 60's. I guess I was just an early "have a nice life" fan.
November 13th, 2014 at 6:06 PM ^
I'm by no means calling you a liar, but it's hard to believe you were going to football games every year for 40 years then stopped when Hoke was hired.
Hoke had a very great initial impression and first season.
I mean I was the most insane supporter of RR and was super pissed when Hoke was hired, but I'll even admit it moved during his first presser and I was pretty impressed witht he team that first season. Didn't fully buy iin, but I was pretty close to eating a bunch of crow.
November 13th, 2014 at 5:46 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 6:09 PM ^
If you had a boyfriend or girlfriend who was great in every way and fantastic in bed, would you be able to overcome the fact that during sex, they scream the word ‘porpoise’ in shortening intervals until they climax?
November 13th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
Yes and yes.
November 13th, 2014 at 6:29 PM ^
This is a stupid person question.
November 13th, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^
Stupid questions like, "Can we have more CC threads?"
November 13th, 2014 at 9:08 PM ^
for a WHOLE 'NOTHER YEAR of CC POSTS
November 13th, 2014 at 10:02 PM ^
Joe got the week off because no football game this week. But we're talking about making that a more regular series. I miss it too. I mean to make the caveman steaks next week.