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Doomed? Did you honestly not see this coming months ago?
Things were looking a lot rosier at the start of June actually. Things have been dynamic, but June and July proved just how incompetent this country is.
Our initial response showed incompetence of leaders. Instead of using the “flattening the curve” period to come up with contact tracing and a robust testing apparatus, we just let states and local governments flounder on their own. Other countries have shown how awful our public infrastructure really is.
It’s hard to compare countries, and we’re really only at halftime. To compare countries you have to take into account several factors such as how open the borders are, how seniors are cared for, privacy limits, data credibility, comorbidities, etc.
Countries all across Europe and Asia are doing “fine“ despite a variety of economic systems, healthcare funding and all sorts of other factors. We are one of the richest countries in the world. We could make it work. We chose not to.
Then how do you explain Sweden who took very few precautions yet have fewer cases per million?
Population density and quality national healthcare system. They also did worse than the other Scandinavian nations. And are 7th in the world in deaths/100k. Their economy also didn’t do that much better than their Scandinavian neighbors.
August 9th, 2020 at 11:25 PM ^
Before you tout their nationalized health care, know Sweden Typically doesn’t offer heroic life saving measures to the elderly as a point of routine, regardless of comorbidities (unless they have private insurance). It is part of their social contract: limited resources go to the younger taxpayers. That, and their nursing home strategy which was somewhat similar to NY resulted in more deaths too.
Flattening the curve does not necessarily change the area under the curve unless a therapeutic becomes available at a later date. it will be fascinating to see if they have a second wave — like what is happening in Australia, France, Hawaii, etc
August 10th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
Wherever you are sourcing your "news" is doing you a seriously dangerous disservice.
It's pure weaponized ignorance. It's like you guys are proud to prove that you can't/won't process information.
That is FALSE
August 9th, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^
Sounds like you are making excuses. We tout that we are - a) the richest country in the world, and b) have the best medical care in the world. With those two crown jewels, if we had a coordinated response, I lot fewer people would have died.
Ask yourself, how many other countries had their leader saying that this was a hoax being pushed by his political opponents?
August 9th, 2020 at 10:47 PM ^
1) When talking about a hoax he was referring to another thing he would receive blame from Democrats, not the virus itself.
2) We have a more diverse population than many other countries, and some people are getting hit harder with the virus (e.g., African Americans).
3) There is no quality of medical care that can make up for the effect that diabetes, COPD, etc, has when getting the virus.
August 9th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^
Simply but accurately put, Trump has WRONGLY called so many things a hoax that it hard to keep track of them all.
But yes, he has definitely screamed "hoax" numerous times during the totally fucked up White House covid response.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
You are wrong. He was using the word hoax in reference to something the Democrats we’re going to blame him for and that’s exactly how he meant it. Was it a poor choice of words? Yes, but he did not call the virus itself a hoax.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
Russian collusion was a hoax. The fact is that our previous president was spying on his campaign, which is perhaps the most egregious behavior EVER.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
You linked an article from Snopes dated March 2, 2020.
What's more, I don't think you even read the whole damn thing, as while you are apparently technically correct that Trump did not publicly say exactly "Covid-19 is a hoax" or "the virus is a hoax", this Snopes piece pertains to the period leading up to 3/2/2020 Can you find something much more current to prove your contention?
And although as of 3/2/2020 he didn't apparently make the exact claim, he knew darn well that all he ever had to do in any controversy is say the word "HOAX" to get his base to grab their torches and pitchforks. And that's ex-f'n-actly what he was doing in that particular speech he gave which Snopes, in turn, analyzed on 3/2/2020.
He's a master at manipulation. At being even remotely "presidential" in a time we need it most in this country, though, he's an utter failure.
August 10th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
No one would listen even if he was being, by your standards, "presidential."
August 9th, 2020 at 11:59 PM ^
How about wearing a fucking MASK!!! Every other leader in the free world does it and encourages it. Not our fearless leader. But of course you are a anti-masker, amirite???
August 10th, 2020 at 9:55 AM ^
How about avoiding crowds like all the idiot protestors? Amazing you couldn’t go to church, but the liberal leaders of our run down, crime riddled cities saw fit to allow protests and violence.
August 10th, 2020 at 12:06 PM ^
Not to mention, participate in the protests.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:56 PM ^
Who was it that was encouraging...nay, begging people to patronize Chinese restaurants to show solidarity? Who was it that was begging people to continue to dine and patronize Broadway shows? This coming after the Racist in Charge stopped flights from China.
How about CALMING the fuck down and understand there are over 150 different countries being effected, utilizing more than 150 different strategies, to combat at least half a dozen or more strains of SARS CoV-2.
August 10th, 2020 at 8:40 AM ^
Perhaps if we had the ability to easily and efficiently and inexpensively see doctors and get preventative healthcare, this would not be a problem.
I don't fully agree. The US (CDC & trump admin) first failed by not rolling out testing fast enough allowing NY to become the disaster it was and to a lesser extent Louisiana and Detroit. Once things started down the Italy/Spain pathway, the US (primarily at the state level) did flatten the curve in a way that paralleled most of Europe. The problem was complacency after some mild success for blue states and a much more dramatic rejection of any restrictions in the south.
Specifically, states like Florida and Texas rolled back nearly all of their restrictions leading to a huge uptick in cases. Their hands were forced to reimpose some restrictions a few weeks back, which has now curbed cases in those states. In states like MI, we also saw an uptick in cases in late June early July but just not as pronounced.
People can blame Trump, and justifiably so, but I don't think responses from southern states and the peoples of those states change much regardless of the president. I can only imagine the pushback against Hillary or Barack had they told rednecks to wear masks.
And yet only 1.5% of the US population has been infected.
August 10th, 2020 at 12:01 AM ^
Moran, how many have DIED!!! Unfortunately that is a stat where we are #1!
August 10th, 2020 at 12:54 AM ^
It's a lot more than that. Consensus is about 10x as many as we've confirmed.
I think most states would have been on board with a national unified response. And the states that weren’t would be back on board eventually due to public pressure. Issues for me are our awful public infrastructure and then the conflicting messages we’ve received from leadership the entire time. I know lots of people that aren’t partisans that have no idea what they should do because too many leaders are saying too many different things. While there are some people out there being reckless, there’d be much fewer if our leaders were on the same page.
I think we fundamentally disagree on how the people and their government representatives in SEC states + Texas would respond to any federal instruction regarding mandatory masks or other such restrictions on their perceived inalienable freedoms.
It’s politics. You explain how a robust response actually helps in terms of economics in the long term, as well as gets them back on their feet quicker in the short term. Might listen better to a republican vs a democrat, but I don’t think it would be a significant difference.
I love how California is always left out as an example when mentioning states with rising cases. Cali has never really come out of their lock down yet they lead the country in cases. Large protests and riots have also been occurring across the country for a while now. Not saying I'm opposed or in favor, but they have been happening.
Easy answer, it does not fit the bad red state narrative.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:06 PM ^
Because that ruins the narrative. Same reason you hear nothing about northern European countries on mainstream media. This will be over November 4th.
August 9th, 2020 at 11:28 PM ^
If it’s all based on the election then let’s not push it back but let’s have it this Tuesday! That means by Thursday everything will be back to the old normal (not a new normal) and we can have all sports, our economy will come roaring back, everyone will be discharged from hospitals/ER’s, all students will be onsite learning this fall, etc. Heck, I’d even vote for Trump 3 times: in person, by mail, and absentee. The whole world is dealing with this hoax just to punk Trump. Yep, that election argument is a valid one.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:55 AM ^
Its funny how republicans try to push the narrative that democrats only talk about red states spreading the virus. In reality Trump didn't wear a mask so his followers choose not to as well.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:31 AM ^
Congrats on your degree from YouTube Community College.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^
Not surprising Cali leads the nation in cases since it also leads in population
August 9th, 2020 at 10:22 PM ^
Right? California is by far the most populous state and isn’t even close to leading cases and deaths if adjusted for that population.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:50 PM ^
Most of this conservation has been centered around leadership being the issue. So, which is it? Population or leadership?
August 9th, 2020 at 10:23 PM ^
Saying they never came out of their lock down is 180 degrees out from what actually happened.
Governor Newsome, despite being far different politically than the Governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas, made many of the very same mistakes.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:47 PM ^
You're right, I was thinking in terms of the re-opening the economy, which they've done more slowly than other states and ramped back up restrictions again in July when their numbers started skyrocketing.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:32 PM ^
Los Angeles County has particularly struggled the whole time, that is true, and is a reflection of its population density and the local culture. That said, I hope you're not daft enough to think California has the worst number of cases per population though and that you're only looking at total cases... Just have to take a gander at FL GA and TX to see who dominates those numbers. Coincidence? Tracking cases vs. restrictions in those states would suggest absolutely not.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:08 AM ^
We live in a decentralized society. More times than not states do not like being told what to do and how to allocate their resources. I've kept hearing this over and over. You can't have it both ways when its convenient.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:57 AM ^
But you can have leadership when it's needed from the federal government. It doesn't necessarily mean issuing presidential orders so much as it means facilitating distribution of vital supplies and equipment to states, cities, and communities AND unifying the country to band together to fight a common foe.
If the states had gotten that kind of centralized leadership from the feds---and they were certainly requesting it---we'd be in so much better shape right now.
Probably not the best comparisons, but what if Lincoln had told the individual northern states to deal with the Civil War on their own? Or Wilson, FDR, and Truman had taken such a stance during the 2 World Wars? For that matter, again Wilson during the 1918 flu pandemic?
Yes, you CAN have it both ways.Not that one post below says the same thing.
Yeah, we know.
I am looking on the bright side.
Justin Fields probably will not return to OSU and will prep for the NFL.
You expect him to take a pay cut?
Intramural Flag Football is still a go though right?
Only if the flags are 6 feet long
This is what happens when half the country thinks they're smarter than experts.