Rutgers Snowflakes: The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on September 26th, 2021 at 4:00 PM

This is the thread for snowflakes regarding the overall performance of the coaches. 

The Oracle 2

September 25th, 2021 at 7:11 PM ^

We saw who McNamara really is today. He won’t get in the way when things are going well, but he can’t put a struggling team on his shoulders. We’ve also seen, before today, that McCarthy is far more talented. McCarthy is dynamic. McCarthy is a playmaker. Ultimately, it’s pretty simple. In today’s college football world, one of these guys is going to be the QB and the other is going to transfer. There’s no way McCarthy is going to sit behind McNamara for two years. Either he becomes the starter or Michigan will lose him. After today, there’s no reason not to make the switch now.

OaklandInPlay

September 25th, 2021 at 7:26 PM ^

I've been advocating for McCarthy all season but this shitshow wasn't on him he  actually played well. This is strictly on the oline getting bullied and Gattis/Harbaugh refusing to run the edge. Not to mention our defense got exposed today as well. This is 7-5 or 8-4 team at best. It's on us as fans for getting our hopes up. 

JacquesStrappe

September 25th, 2021 at 7:29 PM ^

You are probably right in the medium term but I don't think JJ would have made a difference today. In fact, putting him in might have broken him too and as a side issue he might have been more likely to make the critical game-losing mistake because of inexperience.  But I do love JJ's bravado and enthusiasm.  Nothing is going to make up for this staff's innate obstinacy, conservatism and lack of killer instinct.  If the team is going to win anything of note, it will have to do so in spite of its offensive coaching staff not because of it.  

As much as Don Brown got a bad rap, I really believe that it was unreasonable to keep asking his defense to win games.  Say what you will, he routinely produced top 5 defenses and we still couldn't win consistently.  Why is that? You saw it all day today with our offense.  We don't stretch the field---horizontally or vertically---or scare anyone with our explosiveness that forces opponents to back away from the box.  And most importantly, we try to steal games rather than decisively beat our opponents.  Nothing can make up for the lack of confidence and drive.

This staff has it all wrong.  It is pass to set-up the run, not run to set-up the pass. 

As an example, the best USC teams under Pete Carroll understood that.  That's why they have a couple of NCs and three Heisman Trophy winners in the past two decades while we have none.  USC's current problems notwithstanding, I would still rather own their 21st century record than ours. 

Anyone that talks about schools like USC and Texas being tire fires, let's compare the trophy cases.  Yeah we may have a better record overall, but if so it isn't by much. And we certainly haven't won any championships or accolades of late.

mpbear14

September 25th, 2021 at 8:23 PM ^

Jim will wreck JJ if JJ plays this year.  The best case scenario assuming the inevitable season happens, is that Harbaugh is no longer coaching next year and JJ gets developed by a real QB coach and competent offensive coaching staff next season.

 

Go down the list of QB’s that have played for Harbaugh at Michigan. The longer they learn under the Harbaugh the worse they become.  There’s too much evidence out there to ignore it. 

JacquesStrappe

September 25th, 2021 at 7:12 PM ^

We won but we will never compete for a BIG championship playing this way.  We are timid and not assertive. We try to avoid losing rather than playing to win.  Right off of the personal foul call we should have gone for the dagger to the heart.  At least attempt to throw to the end zone.  Yet again, before the missed FG we could have sealed the game by attempting to throw for the 1st down and ending it right there.  Instead we are trying to steal the game.  This right here is why this regime will always be a bridesmaid.  It is not the talent level, it is the mentality.

Colt Burgess

September 25th, 2021 at 7:13 PM ^

The Coaching: I give Rutgers' staff a lot of credit. They took away the run between the tackles knowing how stubborn Harbaugh is, and they put the game in Cade McNamara's hands. On offense they utilized the legs of their quarterback and played to win the game. Bravo.

 

JacquesStrappe

September 25th, 2021 at 7:41 PM ^

And guess what? That's what every team from here on out is going to do also, so say goodbye to the 'thunder and lightning' hype train and prepare for more 'three yards and a cloud of dust' if we can't amp up the pass game or find more creative ways to get playmakers involved.  This is of course what I thought we were going to do anyway with our ballyhooed 'Speed-in-Space'.  Three years in and it's still crickets.

MJ14

September 25th, 2021 at 7:14 PM ^

Well I have solidly been on the keep this staff. I can’t say I am going to keep backing them after that second half. That was very bad. Defense wins the game again when they are supposed to be on a learning curve. Fire Harbaugh and promote either Hart or Weiss to head coach. Heck promote MacDonald or Clinkscale for all I care. I don’t think this whole staff is bad. In fact, the supporting staff seems extremely good. This is solely on Harbaugh. Nobody knows if it’s also a Gattis deal or not, but clearly a Harbaugh problem. I honestly think if you promote someone on the staff and keep the core together you could have a great team with the recruiting acumen and coaching of the guys Michigan has. Just need to run a modern offense and keep building Macdonald’s defense. 

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

September 25th, 2021 at 7:14 PM ^

JH turtles better than most coaches …

Flat out confused by the 2H play-calling on O. The edges were open and no deep balls, let’s keep running the fake read-option until it’s an obvious play.

joeismyname

September 25th, 2021 at 7:32 PM ^

Think they got off schedule. Cade had one particular drive where he missed 3 straight open throws I believe. Not to mention the missed TD pass at end of first half. I think Cade’s confidence and the captain play-calling LB being out made a lot of difference in this game. That and I’m sure Rutgers and all their 6th year seniors on defense who have been getting their asses kicked on the regular in college have them a little extra want to on their defensive side. 

glad we won, need to have a tough come to Jesus film session with the boys and a super focused week of practice. 

burtcomma

September 25th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^

If the first three games mean little, then this game means little.  Key is to get better and play better.  We’ll see how we play on the road at Wisconsin next week.  We had a very rough 2nd half, but a W is a W.  Plenty of room for improvement and learning.

SD Larry

September 25th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^

We outplayed Rutgers in first half.  They outplayed us in the second half until the last 8 minutes.  Felt like Rutgers had better half time adjustments and pep talk.  Sorry to say it also felt like Schiano, who is a good coach imho, might have outcoached our side today, though I give our defense a lot of credit for being clutch when tired late in second half.  Still, 4 & 0 and 1 & 0 means something and agree it is important to see if and how we improve next week. 

MichAtl85

September 25th, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^

I don’t think they win next week. Wisconsin is going to shut down the run immediately. Once that happens it’s a battle of attrition. I think Wisconsin gets a few first downs, our offense has multiple three and outs, and their weak offense just wears out our defense. 
 

Who knows if this team is even going to find the fucking end zone next week. 

The Purple Helmet

September 25th, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^

Most will blame Gattis 

Because they lie and refuse to blame Harbaugh

They're like Trumpers

Harbaugh is puke

bamf_16

September 25th, 2021 at 7:34 PM ^

Yep.

 

We blame the bad play calls on the guy who calls the plays.

 

On field interview after the Washington game, who was it that Haskins credited with calling the plays?

 

Ignoring evidence and relying on baseless narratives is the classic Trump-ism you seem to hate.

 

Yet somehow the 30 something year old OC with no other OC experience or success gets the pass because “Good play=Gattis. Bad play=Harbaugh.”

 

Get out of here with that shit.

waittilnextyear

September 25th, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^

A mixed bag.

It was disappointing to see there didn't seem to be a countermove when the 'let's carry for 7 yards a pop and shred' offense shriveled up and died. There was also the poorly executed sequence at the end of the half. On the flip side, early in the game, I saw tempo on short yardage executed better than it ever has been under Harbaugh.

The defense gets a pass this week, imo, after losing their captain before halftime. The soft coverage on the outside let Rutger get 2nd and 2 way too often, but there were also some TFLs and decent coverage to offset that. Tackling wasn't super crisp either, but not sure that's on the coaching.

dearbornpeds

September 25th, 2021 at 7:18 PM ^

You can’t run up the gut against a stacked front.  Almost everyone knows that-the problem is that few that don’t seem to work in Ann Arbor.  It worked against Washington because of the defense they played;  it didn’t work against Rutgers because of how they schemed.

If you’re afraid to throw and don’t have any perimeter running game who do you plan on beating?  All this talk about OSU being vulnerable is misplaced.  This was as close to a train wreck as we could be without actually losing.

dearbornpeds

September 25th, 2021 at 7:18 PM ^

You can’t run up the gut against a stacked front.  Almost everyone knows that-the problem is that few that don’t seem to work in Ann Arbor.  It worked against Washington because of the defense they played;  it didn’t work against Rutgers because of how they schemed.

If you’re afraid to throw and don’t have any perimeter running game who do you plan on beating?  All this talk about OSU being vulnerable is misplaced.  This was as close to a train wreck as we could be without actually losing.

Ghost of Fritz…

September 25th, 2021 at 7:18 PM ^

If they do not radically rethink the stubborn running into stacked boxes, Michigan will lose at least six games. 

Responding to Rutgers' all-day stacked box D with passes over the middle and edge running would have produced a 30 point win margin.  But Jim cares about a particular style of football more than adjusting and taking easy yardage when the opponent decides to sell out to stop the between the tackles running game.

We are in year seven.  None of this is new.   His stubborn commitment to a particular style of offense, sticking to it no matter the game situation, what the opponent D is doing, etc., will weigh Michigan down until he is fired or leaves on his own.  

Rutgers looked at what Michigan was doing on D, adjusted, and called plays accordingly.  Not that hard to do.  But Jim never will.

 

TomJ

September 26th, 2021 at 8:42 AM ^

1st drive, and it was 3rd and 1. Michigan was planning on going for it if they didn't make it anyway (that's exactly what happened--they got stuffed, but ran and made it on 4th down).

Everyone is going to be fine with the decision, because the drive resulted in a TD, but it was a huge opportunity lost and indicative of Gattis's approach to playcalling. The fact that Rutgers knew that Michigan wasn't going to throw tells you everything you need about Gattis.

bamf_16

September 25th, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^

Michigan had 5 drives in the 2nd half before the kneel downs.

 

On 1st down, 3 runs, 2 passes.

 

The 12 plays before the drive that got them into FG range, 6 runs, 6 passes.

 

The problem wasn’t them turtling or playing not to lose

abertain

September 25th, 2021 at 7:24 PM ^

Gattis calls the plays. Saying harbaugh stuck with the run is innaccurate. Gattis did not call an end around or outside runs. That’s his job. 

He isn’t a good coordinator. 

joeismyname

September 25th, 2021 at 7:25 PM ^

First half seemed just fine, and the clock stuff end of half seemed more like some analyst told them to take a TO and do the field goal as it was better to take sure points than try to squeeze 4 second pass play in with 5 seconds left with hopes of a FG if it didn’t work out. 
 

Second half, I think Cade had the yips and put them way off schedule in both TOP and field position (obviously points too). A handful of open passes were totally missed by Cade, as if all his confidence went out the door after his missed TD pass first half. However, when it was clear Cade was off, they should have tried outside runs with Corum and some sweeps and reverses to Henning to move the offense instead of just trying to go up the middle. Disappointing as I think that was probably there for the taking.  
 

Defensively, not having your field general LB probably didn’t help as that’s usually the guy making the call on the field for the D, probably one reason they got gashed by the option so much, Macdonald needs to get that corrected and fast. However, he must have given a good speech those last couple series with a couple big stops and a turnover. 
 

With Schiano, Rutgers will be one of those teams for the foreseeable future. 
 

Also, while this team certainly got exposed in a couple ways the second half, they still won, they looked very well in control the first half as they should, and I don’t believe they are actually as bad as we looked in the 2nd half. Bad juju with Cade’s awful yips and missing your 5th year captain MLB who calls the defense on the field. 

Better be a super focused week of practice to gear up for Wisconsin, still a very winnable game. 
 

 

DennisFranklinDaMan

September 25th, 2021 at 7:28 PM ^

I'm a McNamara supporter, but ... I don't get this argument. If we have a quarterback who can't play quarterback, let the next guy try! Last year, I heard, "but Milton is hurt." The year before it was, "we can't do all our plays, because Shea is hurt."

For F's sake, man. If you have a quarterback who can't throw, you don't have a quarterback. Saying, "if Cade can't throw, you should run outside," is weird. Why not just put JJ in to hand off, and at least SCARE the defense a bit?