Rudock Hate?

Submitted by might and main on

How about these comments from http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/rudock-hate

"Rudock is bad.  He's garbage."  "Start Speight."  "Rudock can't even be referred to as a 'game manager.' " "He's not a good QB."  "He can't throw worth a shit on the run... Or standing in the pocket." "He is mediocre at best."

ESPN named Rudock one of 4 nominees for impact performer of the week after BYU.  Will he be a great QB this year?  Probably not, but he played very well yesterday.  Sometimes a little patience is called for.

 

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M-Dog

September 27th, 2015 at 9:14 AM ^

You are fighting against the tide of football fandom.  When the starting QB screws up, there are always haters.

When Tom Brady struggled a couple of years ago, there were Patriot fans declaring that his time was done and he needed to be booted.

I would not worry about it.  Haters gonna . . . you know.  

 

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LSAClassOf2000

September 27th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^

That's very true, of course, at least not in the sense that you can in real life. When I saw this thread, I actually found it interesting that the attempt would be made because we do actually see the same phenomenon you might in everyday life on this blog, where some people own up to having said things in a moment of frustration, some even changing their mind a bit about things (as we've seen in some of the Snowflakes from yesterday RE: Rudock).

You also get the group that will bitch no matter what you present to them in the way of evidence to the contrary on performance, people with inherently unrealistic expectations, etc...(something we've also seen in discussions about Rudock). It's not so much real accountability as it is some folks proving that they are best ignored - it might be the Internet equivalent of the phenomenon. Not a perfect distinction, but an interesting one. 

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ak47

September 27th, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^

I wasn't a fan of rudock for the first three games and am happy to be wrong. But those statements weren't wrong about his first three games. He played great yesterday and here's to hoping that's what he looks like for the rest of the year.

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Jason80

September 27th, 2015 at 10:36 AM ^

It isn't Jake's fault that Brady Hoke couldn't recruit or develop a decent qb. I actually heard someone saying Morrison should be the starter. The same qb who has thrown as many TDs in college as I have and likely less than some other readers. With anyone but Jake we may not be 3-1 this season and starting to think we could have a shot at competing with those State schools.

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You Only Live Twice

September 27th, 2015 at 11:13 AM ^

the "problem solver" in people made them question the decision on Rudock.  For the same reason, the problem solver in me wanted to understand how, last year, the coaching staff "lost" the locker room, how do you lose 4 and 5 star talent, how do you fix that?  It's enough to know that Harbaugh knows how.

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JT4104

September 27th, 2015 at 9:13 AM ^

Biggest difference from last week is that Rudock trusted his eyes this week...he is still missing guys a little bit, but he seemed to trust his decisions a little more and was accurate when he let it fly. 

If he can do this again next week then the positivity can get started again. Again, only complaint for me is I wish he would let it rip a lil more but today was a huge improvement.

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Bigasshammm

September 27th, 2015 at 9:16 AM ^

He played great and definitely a lot better than we've seen but there's still room for improvement. He missed a couple home runs and made some very bad decisions/throws a few times as well. Clean those up and he will be perfect.

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weasel3216

September 27th, 2015 at 9:16 AM ^

Like in BLL "Michigan fans aren't happy unless they are unhappy". There are certain fans that find things to bitch about even when things are going good. Always has been this way and always will be this way.

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MichiganTeacher

September 27th, 2015 at 9:17 AM ^

I still wouldn't call him good. But he hit adequate yesterday. And, if not good, that's good enough for this year.

As I said after Utah, we played well enough in all phases of the game except QB play to win. I still think that, and after watching what happened in Eugene last night, that's a pretty impressive thing.

Great coaching job.

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wolverine1987

September 27th, 2015 at 9:51 AM ^

He wss not great, or even good yesterday, both by the eyes and the stats. But he was what we thought he would be this year for the first time, which was an average/pretty good B1G starting QB--and that is an improvement both this year and from recent times. If he can play at that level we are fine.

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M-Dog

September 27th, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^

We always said that with this defense if he could be an adequate B1G-level game manager QB, we could do pretty well.  He's getting there.  That's probably the ceiling.

It's starting to look like that could actually be enough to compete for the B1G championship.  May take more than that to win it if OSU and MSU wake up, but we'll get to have a say.

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Year of Revenge II

September 27th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^

Don't really care what you call him---he is 3-1 with crushing win over a team that, really, had looked better than us in first three games.  

His reads were faster, he made generally good decisions, and he led the team in a confident way.  He is obviously feeling more comfortable.  Far fewer mistakes yesterday, and that sidearm last-instant completion was money.

Give the guy some credit.  I, for one, was pretty impressed with his play yesterday.

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luvmesumblu

September 27th, 2015 at 10:08 AM ^

Rudock was directly accounted for 3 TDs with no TOs and that by itself is better than adequate.  I believe a lot of quarterbacks would taken his performance yesterday.   While I'm sure he would tell you there is room for improvement that can be said for most players and no, it's not good enough for this year.

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Maize in Cincy

September 27th, 2015 at 9:17 AM ^

He makes his receivers work way to hard on what should be easy completions. There was a little progress though but if your teammates start getting frustrated on the field that is not a good sign. Do you really think ESPN looked at the film?

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bamf16

September 27th, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^

But when I argue that Rudock is a medicore QB, I'm not also saying that someone else should start.  IMO, Jake Rudock is the best QB Michigan has.  He's a mediocre QB.  But with this defense and stable of productive running backs (fullbacks included!) Michigan can and should win every game with this medicore player except MSU and OSU.

 

Against those teams, Rudock is going to have to be better than he was even yesterday.  An open third down pass on a slant can't be thrown so far behind the receiver it ends up caught short of a first down.  If he's going to throw deep in a one on one situation like at the end of the first half, he can't throw so badly to the inside that the receiver doesn't even have a chance to win a one on one battle.

 

And did anyone else notice that at times in the second half, BYU had a "spy" on Rudock because of how he ran?  When a team does that, Rudock has to be able to make completions downfield with one less guy in coverage.  I won't fault him too much for not recognizing it yesterday.  I bet it's the first time in his life he'll ever see someone spying him from the defensive backfield during film review!

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Michigan Arrogance

September 27th, 2015 at 9:19 AM ^

look, he's a very deliberate QB, focuses on not making the bad throw, throws it OOB often, isn't an athlete, no cannon for an arm.

but that's the game we've been asking for from him and that's the game he plays: sometimes waits too long and throws a late ball b/c he wants to be sure of the throw. won't make a ton of plays by himself. will take a sack, will throw the ball away instead of forcing it.

 

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CoverZero

September 27th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^

Michigan Arrogance....No offense intended, but you have no idea what you are talking about when evaluating a QB.

"not an athlete" -- First of all, one does not play QB at the B1G level and not be an athlete. 

Did you see his scrambles and TD runs?  He is pretty athletic.  If you dont see that, you are clueless. If you see it but refuse to acknowledge it, then you are biased at best.  This is not a statue QB we are talking about here.  Kid can move well.

"not a strong arm" -- He is not John Elway...but his arm is plenty strong.  Did  you see the deep out that he gunned?  Did you see the nifty side-armed toss across his body for the completion?

Rudock is plenty athletic and his arm is good enough.

His problems (and they are not that bad) are that he is playing timid at times because he is not comfortable with the offense and the WRs.  He was thrown in there and chemistry at times has not been good.

BTW have you seen any signs of Grant Perry lately? 

See game one if you wonder why.

 

Peace.

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Michigan Arrogance

September 27th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^

Rudock's mom, everyone.

Of all the shit that's been said about Rudock on this board in the last 3 weeks, you go off on this?

Look, douchbag, Jake Rudock could beat my ass in just about any athletic endevour. He's got a stronger arm than I do. He's plenty athletic for flag footbal and has a hell of an arm for an over 30 harball league. But this is division I football, brother. This ain't intramurals. For a D1 QB, is is not particularly athletic and doesn't have a particularly strong arm. The kid is smart and can get 2-4 yards on a stramble, but as soon as the D sees him tuck it and run, they have him and Rudock knows it, adjusts and gets to the sidelines. If no defender is within 15 yards of him, he can make it to the endzone from the 8 yard line. He's a fine QB with an adequate arm for this level. I agree and have said as much on this board, that his #1 problem is confort in the system and trusting his receivers, and Perry did nothing to help in this regard in game 1.

It soulds like my OP was disparaging the kid, but that's not my intent. We are all damn lucky that kid's at M and I'm damn glad he's here. If you couldn't see that, then you're clueless, or biased, at best.

Take your peace and shove up your ass

 

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CoverZero

September 28th, 2015 at 4:08 AM ^

Little baby can't take criticism so he resorts to name calling.  That is typical of the uneducated.  If you don't agree with my rebuttal to your opinion, then show something that validates your opinion, rather than blind name calling which is very Spartyesque.

I have a problem with people, such as yourself...who heap criticism on a college kid who is trying to do his best, without fully understanding the TRUTH of the situation.  Jake Rudock has been at Michigan for less than 6 months, and is trying to learn a new system and get on page with his WRs and the rest of his teammates.

Being QB at Michigan is HUGE.  You people just do not get it.  You do not understand the pressure that this kid is under.

He is a GOOD QB.   He simply is dealing with getting on the same page as his teammates, under tremendous pressure.

Rudock is plenty athletic and has better arm strength than many other QBs, including Brian Griese when he was at Michigan.

What he lacks right now, is confidence that if he lets it rip.... the play will be there.  As a result, he sometimes is playing tentative.

It did not help that Grant Perry made 2 mistakes in Game 1 which most of YOU blamed on Rudock (and you were wrong to do so), to which the writer from Mlive and the rest of you publically ridiculed him for.  Do you know why Perry has not gotten as much a as a sniff on offense since then?  Harbaugh knows.

Be better than an OSU or Sparty fan.  Look at what is really  happening on the field and evaluate it vs. what the kid has in his arsenal.

Rudock is a work in progress...but he will surprise you, even a person with blinders on... by the end of the year with what he can do. 

Peace.

 

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turtleboy

September 27th, 2015 at 9:20 AM ^

To be fair, it was universally agreed on that he was really pretty bad last week. Also to be fair, didn't we already have one of these threads last week, too?.

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