Roy Manning for RB coach?
Over on Touch the Banner, Magnus suggested that Tyrone Wheatley was unlikely to come to Michigan now that Trevno is in the fold and suggested Roy Manning as another possibility (LINK).
Looking at Manning's bio over on MGoBlue (LINK), I saw that he coached running backs before he got to Michigan, at Cincinnati (2012) and for two months at Northern Illinois (2013) before he was hired by Michigan. It's often the case that great recruiters are given the responsibility for running backs, and we know that Manning is a top recruiter.
If there's no room for Manning on the defensive side of the ball (something discussed by Brian and Ace in the last podcast) and Tyrone Wheatley would rather stay in the NFL or take a job as an OC, I'd think that Manning at RB coach (if he's willing to do it) would be a great way to keep recruiting acumen in the fold and maintain continuity among the coaches.
[EDIT: corrected the info about Manning's tenure at NIU thanks to comments by Mr Miggle]
January 1st, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^
Do you guys even read the posts before you respond to them? Dude said he coached RBs in 2012 and 2013.
January 1st, 2015 at 2:56 PM ^
Snark is one thing.... stupid snark is quite another.
January 1st, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^
Couldn't agree with this more.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^
as I said above.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^
So has Fred Jackson and we can see how well that has been working.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:27 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 2:12 PM ^
It pretty much is. His comment indicates that since Michigan's RBs were not productive, it was Fred's fault and as a result, RB coaches are not good.
January 1st, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 7:24 PM ^
No, what I was inferring is that just because someone has coached RBs before doesn't mean it would be a good move to have him do it again.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^
Fred Jackson's definition of "coaching" is apparently quite a bit different from what most do. Manning had a couple 1,000-yard rushers at NIU, and Cincy could move the ball and, I believe, had a 1k rusher while there. He might not be great, but I'd absolutely believe him to be a competent RB coach.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 1:51 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 6:06 PM ^
You're one classy fellow.
January 1st, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
Exactly, just a thought, our less than stellar running back production could also be the result of less than stellar offensive line play. No matter how good the rb, you must have a decent OL. We have truly been in a FUNK as of late.
January 1st, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
Tyrone Wheatley was bad?
Tim Biakabutuka was bad?
Anthony Thomas was bad?
Chris Perry was bad?
Mike Hart was bad?
Did you know that there is a well documented psychological effect where the less someone knows about a topic, the more they think they know about it? It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect (look it up on Wikipedia) and people on this blog are among the biggest culprits I've ever seen. If you are not yourself a coach, you are not truly qualified to comment. If you want to talk about less than Stellar players under Fred Jackson, you need to talk about the stand outs as well. If you want to say that the good players were good because of talent and the bad players were bad because of coaching, I can just as easily say that the good players were good because of coaching and the bad players were bad because they didn't take well to coaching.
Every single former player I have ever talked to says the product we see on the field on Saturdays has MUCH more to do with the players and not nearly as much to do with coaching as we think it does.
January 1st, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^
He was awesome is in hayday, it's no longer that time. He's a legend and deserve every accolade. However, it's time for something new at that coaching spot. Let him (Jackson) do the Lloyd Carr thing.
January 1st, 2015 at 4:20 PM ^
The last of the players you mentioned finished his career in 2007.
I have no doubt that Jackson was an outstanding RB coach earlier in his career. I do, however, have doubts about his effectiveness right now. Coaches aren't robots who never change. Their performance improves and declines like everyone else's.
January 1st, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^
Let me guess; they just have to execute right? or have a good week of practice?
/I'm a coach too!
January 1st, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
Tyrone Wheatley was bad?
Tim Biakabutuka was bad?
Anthony Thomas was bad?
Chris Perry was bad?
Mike Hart was bad?
Did you know that there is a well documented psychological effect where the less someone knows about a topic, the more they think they know about it? It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect (look it up on Wikipedia) and people on this blog are among the biggest culprits I've ever seen. If you are not yourself a coach, you are not truly qualified to comment. If you want to talk about less than Stellar players under Fred Jackson, you need to talk about the stand outs as well. If you want to say that the good players were good because of talent and the bad players were bad because of coaching, I can just as easily say that the good players were good because of coaching and the bad players were bad because they didn't take well to coaching.
Every single former player I have ever talked to says the product we see on the field on Saturdays has MUCH more to do with the players and not nearly as much to do with coaching as we think it does.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
He mentions that he coached at Cincinnati and NIU.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^
NIU was coming off of two pretty great seasons. Moving from Cincy to NIU wasn't much of a lateral move. Then he was hired by UM. But by all means, keep arguing he sucks.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 1:54 PM ^
Oh sure, there are better RB coaches out there. But Manning is already in-house, he knows the players, can obviously recruit, and has coached the position elsewhere, so it isn't like throwing him into the DB role. And thought Jackson maybe proved it exception, RB is one of the easier positions to teach on a team, so I'd be fine storing a great recruiter there especially with the offensive staff coming in.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^
in Manning's only season there, his first season as a position coach. He left when Butch Jones took the Tennessee job. NIU hired him in January. We stole him away two months later. He had previously been a GA here on offense. DNAK was wrong in thinking he coached a season at NIU. You were wrong about everything.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
Manning coached RBs before. Therefor he qualifies by your standards.
Welcome back to the staff, Roy!
January 1st, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^
Do you has it?
January 1st, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^
yep coached RBs at Cincy
January 1st, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^
Think.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
January 1st, 2015 at 1:28 PM ^
1. Still don't know if Hart still has beef with Harbaugh. He is pretty much the only alum that said nothing about the Harbaguh hire on twitter.
2. Manning has proven to be a much better recruiter, and that is something we sorely need after years of mediocrity from Jackson.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:34 PM ^
and how good of a recruiter is he? He's been at directional Michigan schools for three years. That's the sum total of his coaching experience. He seems like a total unknown.
Hart was a great player, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a good coach.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^
Look at the running backs he coached. Check the stats. He's done well.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^
I agree that he's done well. I'm just not sure that two years at EMU and one year at WMU is super significant or moves the needle when we're comparing him to a guy that coached RBs for two years at Cinci and NIU and also did well... and whom we KNOW is a great recruiter and a great guy and is already on the staff and is VERY well regarded (see Seth's comment below).
January 1st, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^
We took him on our staff before he had a chance to coach at NIU. He'd been a GA here in 2011, working with the OL, and we wanted him back as soon as there was an opening.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^
Hart may be a great hire, just because he holds Sparty in utter contempt. Since Sparty is still getting mileage out of his quote, seven years later, Hart might as well actually be in Ann Arbor.
A lot of people mention Harbaugh's hire as "bringing the Ohio State rivalry back," but it may be even more important to reestablish dominance over Sparty. It can't hurt to have a coach who never lost a game to them on the sidelines.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:59 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^
Here is one of the greatest offensive minds in the country. Maybe we should thrust in jh.
January 1st, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
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January 1st, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^
Why not head down the road and hire Mike Heart away from Western?