Roman Wilson in concussion protocol, Likely to miss IU game
Hopeful for a quick recovery. AA you're up my man.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:36 PM ^
That missed targeting call certainly looks like a bigger deal now.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^
Did he play after that hit? I don’t remember. Could also have been during practice this week.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:41 PM ^
From what I remember people saying, he left the field and didn't return. Might've been in the locker room
October 6th, 2022 at 4:50 PM ^
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October 6th, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^
He finished the half after that hit with 10 min to go in the 2nd Q.
October 6th, 2022 at 5:59 PM ^
He played well into at least the 3rd quarter. Medical staff did a poor job if it was the DeJean hit at 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Didn't check him after the hit or at halftime?
October 6th, 2022 at 9:40 PM ^
Effects of concussions are not always immediate.
October 7th, 2022 at 9:56 AM ^
Yeah, this. He looked completely unfazed live, so hard to expect the staff to catch that immediately, especially with it happening on the opposite sideline and no targeting call to draw attention to it.
October 6th, 2022 at 7:05 PM ^
Yes, he maybe at least another quarter.
The missed TD in the corner of the endzone before halftime was even after that play.
October 6th, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^
Just because he got a concussion does not mean this was a missed targeting call.
That being said, hope Roman Wilson recovers well and continues to torch secondaries
October 6th, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^
No. But since there *was* a missed targeting call and the player being targeted has now suffered the very harm that the rule is designed to prevent, it is no longer feasible to say "no harm, no foul."
October 6th, 2022 at 1:58 PM ^
Some are saying missed targeting call. Others (me) are claiming it looked more like a textbook tackle. I've seen the views. I'm not convinced anything malicious was intended and don't see a lowering of the crown with intent to harm nor truly make direct helmet contact. DeJean makes shoulder contact first before any helmet movement occurs. It's unfortunately just football sometimes. It realllly sucks Wilson has a concussion.
(Not that anyone asked but I've changed my tune over the years and welcome a safer game, however the heck we want to do it. But here in 2022 I just don't know how else one wants DeJean to make that play).
October 6th, 2022 at 2:15 PM ^
Targeting doesn't have to have malicious intent
October 6th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^
Penalizing lowering the head and hitting withe the crown of the helmet is to protect the targeter as much as the targetee
October 6th, 2022 at 3:17 PM ^
it was not a missed targeting call, the replay showed it was a clean hit, lead with the shoulder to the chest, head to the side....
October 6th, 2022 at 5:23 PM ^
That hit was not malicious, but it WAS targeting. He hit Roman high and yeah DeJean's helmet first hit Roman's shoulder pad but it was glancing. By the looks of it, most of the force of that hit was absorbed by Roman's helmet.
October 6th, 2022 at 5:51 PM ^
My understanding is it doesn't matter that the helmet absorbed most the impact if the player hits shoulder first. It is just an unfortunate part of this brutal sport.
October 6th, 2022 at 6:11 PM ^
Perhaps I don't have the latest in front of me but I don't see anything in the rule that says there is no foul if initial contact is made elsewhere besides the head or neck region. There was contact and it could be considered forcible because the contact turned Roman's head pretty quickly. Violently? I think so.
October 6th, 2022 at 8:29 PM ^
I am no rules expert but that is how it has been explained by broadcast rules analysts this year.
October 6th, 2022 at 6:07 PM ^
I'm not convinced anything malicious was intended
That has nothing to do with whether or not it was targeting.
October 6th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^
No, there is *not* consensus that there was a missed targeting call. Even the thread here the other day, which (not being critical here, but this is fair to point out) would be biased to think there was one, that wasn't the overwhelming consensus.
I guess it is what it is --- but there's a narrative of "DeJean is a dirty player" that's building here and is on it's way to becoming an "MGoBlog Talking Point." And I don't think that's necessarily true or fair to him.
October 6th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^
I'll agree with this... I couldn't tell if he hit with his helmet, but it did not look like the headhunting that Dylan McCaffrey and Brandon Peters suffered at the hands of Wisconsin.
And yeah, the 'MGoBlog Talking Point' about '...is a dirty player' doesn't always target the right guys. Case in point is the guy that blocked Grant Newsome when the dirt monster grabbed his foot and ate his knee. By the rules of the game at that time, it was a clean hit and was certainly something every player did. Should that particular block already have been outlawed from the game? Yes! But it wasn't, and the guy blocked an opponent in a (then) normal manner - it wasn't dirty and it wasn't intentionally injuring. Just bad fucking luck for Grant.
October 7th, 2022 at 10:28 AM ^
It was beyond a shadow of a doubt dirty, 100% intentional, and cost Grant Newsome his career and almost his leg.
October 6th, 2022 at 3:40 PM ^
It looked incidental to me. It also looked like the crown of his helmet struck Roman on the side of his helmet with violent force.
October 6th, 2022 at 4:44 PM ^
No need to relitigate it here, I guess -- there are obviously different takes on it.
I will say, however, that it was sure close enough to justify a review. To the extent we're discussing it with Zapruder-level scrutiny, it's hard to believe the referees in real time had a clear look at it and immediately concluded it was clean.
They missed it, pure and simple, and I wish someone at the time had been thinking enough to slow them all down and review it. The concept of safety-first suffers in we're in such a hurry to keep the game moving that we don't stop to look at close plays.
(Also, I don't like spending too much time on the question of where Wilson was hit. We need to stop players from the (unsurprising, given what they're wearing) tendency to lead with their heads. The idea that something was a clean hit only because the defensive player hit the defenseless player in an area other than the head is wrong.)
October 6th, 2022 at 4:58 PM ^
My understanding of the rule is helmet to helmet is targeting. Incidental or not. If so that looked like targeting.
I will say that’s a brutal angle to try get your head out in front of the tackle without potential helmet contact. My ultimate frustration is when the guy with the ball leads with the head and delivers the blow and the defensive guy gets called for it.
October 6th, 2022 at 6:06 PM ^
"...the guy with the ball leads with the head and delivers the blow..."
We see this all the time, and its never called. Almost like the rules allow it to happen when the offensive guy does it. But as far as I know, the rules aren't written like that.
October 6th, 2022 at 6:07 PM ^
Why do we need a consensus when we have clear video evidence? No matter how you feel, the crown of his helmet hit Wilsons facemask hard enough to whip his head to the side so fast that we only caught it in slow motion. Intent does not matter, by the rule and the way they have been enforcing it, it was targeting.
October 6th, 2022 at 8:42 PM ^
You don't need consensus because it wasn't called and our opinions on it don't matter.
Some people (yourself included) keep saying it is a clear targeting call and some of us are simply pointing out that we disagree.
The video evidence is not clear it is targetting if, as I understand it, initial contact was not the head or neck area. The rule book does not explicitly explain it that way but that is how it has been explained on broadcasts this season.
October 7th, 2022 at 11:00 AM ^
WTF
These are life changing events. Can we stop the shoulder shrugging? This has already killed the game not to mention people...people as in our people if that makes a difference. Are you not entertained? What does it take?
October 6th, 2022 at 6:45 PM ^
Funny, first time I've seen his name mentioned, let alone it becoming an "MGoBlog Talking Point."
Obviously there is some disagreement on whether it was targeting or not. I happen to think it was but I don't think it was a dirty play or he's a dirty player.
The rule is there to get teams to teach and players to avoid a dangerous technique. It doesn't need some sort of moral baggage.
October 6th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^
Looked like a clean hard hit to me. Hit his shoulder and ricochet into the head which is not targetting. Something that we all saw Dax Hill do a few time last year. I can guarantee that all us Michigan fans would have been up in arms had Dax been called for them for the very questionable target.
Wilson had established himself, so he was no longer a defenseless player, the defender's feet never left the ground, and the contact was initiated in the high shoulder area.
October 6th, 2022 at 8:10 PM ^
I feel horrible for Roman but I'm not sure that was targeting.
October 6th, 2022 at 10:51 PM ^
It was a missed targeting call.
October 6th, 2022 at 7:10 PM ^
There are no positives to a player being concussed. You never want to see that.
That said...a couple of facts.
1. It's Indiana and not PSU or MSU. And it's on the road, meaning he won't travel...(which not fact, opinion, is probably better than him standing outside in the sun, at Michigan stadium, for 4+ hours, in a stadium of 100k+).
2. There have been rumors about a couple of WRs unhappy with their usage (Henning was one)...there will be opportunities to get more targets to other guys and (opinion again) presumably keep them engaged going into a critical part of the season.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^
Get well, RW. Well >>>> soon. Good to have depth in the WR room.
October 6th, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^
In addition to ultra top-end talent, it's this depth that can help separate the elite teams from the merely really good teams. OSU is a painfully clear example of the utility of WR depth.
Here's to hoping we see the depth guys make UM look more like an elite team than just a really good team!
October 6th, 2022 at 12:38 PM ^
We need him for Penn St.
Gives us a chance to get CJ and AA more targets for this week.
October 6th, 2022 at 2:38 PM ^
A lot of important starters have missed time this year already. NHK, Eric All, Zinter, Keagan, Edwards, now Wilson. That is essentially the #1 TE, #1 LB, #2-4OL, #1B RB, now the #WR.
That's a lot of quality.
Are there any rumors about All?
October 6th, 2022 at 3:04 PM ^
"Are there any rumors about All?"
Out for the season - but I don't know if that's been confirmed by anyone representing the program.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:42 PM ^
Means we get to see more of Andrel and hopefully what Darrius Clemons can do. Hope Roman can be back for PSU. FWIW he made a great diving catch for 4 yards, target to the corner before halftime and was playing in the 3rd Q after said hit last week. Hopefully it’s nothing serious.
October 6th, 2022 at 1:53 PM ^
Yeah. I've been waiting for Andrel to start having a bigger role since his breakout game against MSU last year. Hopefully he can take advantage of the opportunity on Saturday, since he feels like once he puts it all together he can be our most complete receiver...
October 6th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
Absolutely -- AA needs to be featured in this game. It's his chance for a breakout performance this season!
October 6th, 2022 at 12:42 PM ^
Maybe it's time for the player that causes the concussion with a head shot to have to sit out for the protocol as well.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^
That would probably require a targetting call first.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:53 PM ^
If the Big Ten offices just had some form of replay device with footage from the game as well. Oh well.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:55 PM ^
Can they retroactively review it and hand out a punishment? Or is that only for appealing a targeting suspension?
October 7th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^
Yes they can. No they don't. Michigan would have to ask for it or the B1G would have to change their policy. They have the power.
October 6th, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^
If confirmed on the replay as targeting, I love this idea.
October 6th, 2022 at 1:05 PM ^
Based on the current definition of targeting its not a good idea. There's so many "targeting" calls now that are obviously unintentional in nature that they shouldn't warrant targeting to begin with. Now if a player happens to get a concussion and misses multiple games the offending player should sit multiple games? Horrible idea, imo.