The Recruiting Prowess of the New Staff
With all the staff shake-ups that went on over the winter and spring the most repeated point made about the why the various hires were made was that they would reinvigorate and transform Michigan recruiting. We'd be more national, as well as better able to land all of the in-state talent, and generally have a better shot at landing the elite talent that always seemed just out of reach for Michigan.
Well, that hasn't really panned out thus far, and by the looks of the remaining top targets the program is pursuing, and where those targets are likely to end up, it doesn't seem like it is going to get any better this season. We are most likely looking at an underwhelming class that will be lucky to be in the top twenty. The leveling of the playing field we were told we would see due to NIL money that players now are eligible for, and the massive Michigan alumni base and the "money cannon" the university could unleash isn't really materializing.
Now, there are all sorts of reasons to see this season as an outlier. There was so much uncertainty and tumult around the coaching staff in the last six months and doubts about the future stability of the program still linger. That undoubtedly raises some doubts with top recruits who have offers from as good or better programs that don't have those issues. The abysmal performance of the team last year and the mystery surrounding whether the new defense and the new defensive staff will work is also surely a drag on how much a recruit can believe in the promises made to them by the coaching staff. But, the fact is these latest batch of targets we've lost out on still makes it feel like we are underperforming on the recruiting trail.
These aren't all top 100 kids or 5 stars. They are the types of players we have routinely had success landing the last five years. I didn't think we would win all these recruiting battles, but given the hype surrounding the recruiting prowess of the new hires, I thought we should be able to land some of them. We seem to be batting .000 on our top targets. That does not build confidence.
I understand that some of these recruitments are not over, and that some of these guys we've whiffed on could still flip our way. And depending on how the season goes, along with continued ongoing effort by the staff, we could still land a couple of elite, non-committed prospects. But color me skeptical that these young, high-energy, supposedly great recruiting talents we've installed on the staff will live up to that billing. I really hope this new defense proves to be something new and exciting, and that with a year of stable progress the recruiting ship gets righted. Because right now it looks rather bleak.
And I thought the OP would be by far the worst part of this thread....
Mods, see this man off to Bolivia, please.
Just sent him to Bolivia not just once @7pm, but again a second time just minutes ago.
Just sent him to Bolivia not just once @7pm, but again a second time just minutes ago.
The much preferred double post.
Thanks Rob f. Is there anywhere worse than Bolivia you can send him? I just don't expect to see this shit in this day and age.
It's funny to me that this is so important to you that you were willing to create an account for it
Whatever thing Darkerblue did to piss you off must have been funny as hell. And I have no doubt you deserved it.
Enjoy your permaban, loser.
I would say there's a 99% chance this individual lives with their mother.
Hi harbaughler!
That sure is one way to spend 5 dollars
I know right? Better than the loser route like giving it to starving kids or cancer research.
Blah, blah, blah.....
You think everything is going just fine with recruiting right now?
I think we didn't need a sermon to understand that the football program is a dumpster fire until proven otherwise.
What does everyone have against dumpster fires? I mean they're self-contained, they're relatively small, and they don't damage any valuable property. I think they get a bad rap.
August 4th, 2021 at 10:01 AM ^
That’s a fine point. They’re much better than tire fires or coal seam fires for instance. As far as noxious fires go, they’re tops.
OT: You named yourself after a first-class dipshit. That puts you behind the eight ball when you interact with others on the board (who can remember that dipshit).
August 4th, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
Difference? Preacher Mike was highly entertaining when he spewed bullshit. The OP was not at all entertaining.
You seem awfully angry for a preacher.
I have read this exact same thing in every other recruiting thread in way less words. Nice work. Football is coming soon, watch it and enjoy, or don't.
At this point there should just be a sticky thread titled “I am concerned about recruiting” where these thoughts can live.
The worst part is they know the answer. If you thought a bunch of new guys were going to come in to the current situation and start rolling in 5*s, I don't know what to tell you. Its going to take a couple years. If the team plays well and wins games, i'm sure these guys will recruit fine and maybe even great. If the team is terrible and disorganized this year, they probably aren't going to do so well. Worrying about how a new staff is recruiting a week before the season begins is just trying to make yourself sad for no reason.
I didn't expect we would start raking in the 5 stars. I just didn't think we'd be striking out on all of the 3.5 stars.
Well this is a bit of a nonsense statement given the Covid rankings. Basically there is no or limited film from most of these guys as juniors. It looks like a number of them will jump and jump significantly when they can play live football again. Does that help abate Preacher Tears?
Here is what I know for a fact - the coaches have forgotten more football than I (and Preacher Mikey) will ever know and I trust they know how to identify talent and there are plenty of examples of such. Such is the recruiting game - you win some and lose some. Such is always the way. For everyone (not named Alabama).
They staff needs time but also its still early and there will be a number of players who will emerge when they start playing again.
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Whether they have a good season coming up doesn't really speak to why they are flailing so badly on the recruiting trail right now, though.
If that's not it, explain what is? Name a team coming off a 2 - 4 season with coaching uncertainty recruiting better.
Given all the insanity surrounding last season and the fact that it was a massive outlier for the program and this coaching staff, I would have thought we'd still be able to hold our own on some of these three stars and low four stars that keep on slipping away. I mean, we're tied with Rutgers right now FFS.
Recruiting is selling and right now whatever their pitch is it isn’t working on kids.
You have a Head Coach who has a new contract that basically says “He won’t last” with an entire new staff so Head Coach could sign that contract coming off a really shitty year. I don’t know what people really expected?
The move was to go in a new direction and Michigan thought otherwise
Actually Warde did the stupidest thing possible from a recruiting point of view. By not firing Jim AND cutting his pay in half, he made it absolutely clear to the recruiting classes that our coach is on a short AF leash.
August 4th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^
Couldn't recruits come to that conclusion on their own with or without the extension? And would recruiting be any better if JH was on an expiring dead man walking contract? Maybe Warde explored other coaching hires and didn't see any better options than extending the current coach with a reduced buyout. Our fanbase assumes Michigan is a destintation job for every singles HC candidate. Perhaps some top candidates look at the trail of busted coaching careers here and say "no thanks." Who knows?
Yes but you leave out the fact that Rutgers is having an unusually strong recruiting season and our overall class ranking is still 13th overall (Rutgers is 14th). THE SKY IS FALLING!!
For reference, the 2020 class was 14th and the 2021 class was 12th -- so it looks like we are pretty much where we have been, but thanks for the concern troll
Those are facts. But it’s also a fact that this new staff was brought in with the intent of improving on those classes, no? I agree it’s too early for expectations specially with how easy it is to negative recruit against UM right now. A promising season, one where the team progresses and shows flashes of whatever it is this staff is telling kids their vision is, then yeah we should expect improved recruiting classes. Until then we wait. I’ll choose to root for them even if not with my dollars; will attend one game instead of the season.
People keep bringing up Rutgers as if #14 in the country is bad. It is perhaps a bit early to start complaining about class quality.
Is that the standard we’re going to roll with, “we’re the best of the worst?” Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
The idea that our new, young, unproven, inexperienced coaches were going to come in and rock the recruiting world are delusional. Recruits want to go to programs with proven coaches who can build them into elite players, compete for championships, and head into the NFL as top prospects. That is not Michigan.
Michigan will probably end up between a Top 15-20 recruiting class after this season. Warde really hampered this program by extending Harbaugh, but slashing his pay in half. That doesn’t scream confidence from the outside world. So now programs have additional material to hit Michigan on with recruits. If you’re not confident in your coach then you need to move on. This decision will set Michigan back for a few more years.
All the talk is on the defense, and rightfully so, but this is an unproven offense for the last two years. We’re banking on a QB who has yet to play a full game. Plus, you still have JH interfering with the offense. For all the hate on Don Brown, which is somewhat justified, he and has his defenses won far more games than the offense ever did.
PSU had a pretty shitty year and they’re currently #1 so……..
TBH, this is a valid concern. Not a great season for them and they're lighting up the trail.
2-6 last eight games or 11-8 since 2019... it's not just 2020 season issue.
When does basketball season start?!
I have never been on a football blog that was more averse to discussing football than this one.
Granted, I have never been on another football blog.
But that's why the OPs getting hammered tho. Had he posed his premise as more of a question to generate debate I think the results would be quite different.
A post asking "why isn't the new staff recruiting better" or even "when will we see the results from the new staff" would generate discussion. A sermon on "the new staff sucks at recruiting" doesn't lend itself to much give and take now does it?
Clinkscale seems to be doing well.
Is he though? Who has he gotten that wasn't already on board. Sure they stayed, but he didn't go and get them.
August 3rd, 2021 at 11:27 PM ^
Myles Pollard
I'm feeling crazy. I'm going to let an actual recruiting cycle complete before I pass judgement.
When we've had good classes in the past, we are typically looking a lot better than we are now at this point in the process. And most of the remaining guys on the board are either hail marys on top 100 guys we aren't likely to land, or 3 star flyers that may or may not outperform their recruiting ranking.
Meh. The vibes of the program are bad right now. Coming off a terrible season and then there are questions if Harbaugh even stays after this year (which I'm sure other schools are using as a negative recruiting tool).
So yeah I dont blame croots for being hesitant. The solution is to win a lot and soon (this season). If that happens, vibes from the program will be better and the recruiting will reflect that if not in 2022 then in 2023.
I like so many are skeptical that happens but such is the way of college football. Winning makes it easier to win in the future. Only so much a staff, which objectively has good recruiters on it, can do when the vibes and record are poor.
You can say that again!
Meh. The vibes of the program are bad right now. Coming off a terrible season and then there are questions if Harbaugh even stays after this year (which I'm sure other schools are using as a negative recruiting tool).
So yeah I dont blame croots for being hesitant. The solution is to win a lot and soon (this season). If that happens, vibes from the program will be better and the recruiting will reflect that if not in 2022 then in 2023.
I like so many are skeptical that happens but such is the way of college football. Winning makes it easier to win in the future. Only so much a staff, which objectively has good recruiters on it, can do when the vibes and record are poor.