December 28th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^
+1 Informative
December 28th, 2020 at 8:36 PM ^
What info do you need? He made the 1st team all american defense squad. If you don't remember, he committed to UM and was most likely processed.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
Believe it or not, there are some people around here who don't remember every decommit from five classes ago. I'm guessing there aren't a lot of people who remember much about Sir Patrick Scott and Kiante Enis, either.
December 28th, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^
The Kiante Enis tale is a sad one.
December 28th, 2020 at 11:09 PM ^
I'll never forget Sir Patrick...
December 28th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^
Wow... I recall someone here bitching that we had processed him.... wonder which DE we chose to go with instead of him. Was 2016 so it had to have been one of three... Ron Johnson, Carlo Kemp, or Josh Uche.
I think Hutchinson will be a AA next year.
December 29th, 2020 at 1:02 AM ^
Also had Gary in that class.
He was having a pretty good senior year and I was starting to come around to him as a recruit, and then he got processed. DE is one position we haven't exactly been hurting at these last few years. Probably worked out better for him finding a school where he could maximize his playing time.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:48 PM ^
Background info: Weaver was a lightly recruited prospect that Michigan discovered during a satellite camp in the summer of 2015, I believe. He was "processed" and told that Michigan would not have a spot for him in the 2016 class, so he decommitted in favor of Pitt. Weaver was a 3-star, the #96 DT, and #1536 overall in his class. He went to Pitt and became a stud.
Personally, I didn't like Weaver's junior film and said so. And then once I saw his senior film, I was like, "Uh-oh, I think Michigan made a mistake."
December 28th, 2020 at 8:59 PM ^
Probably a lesson to be learned here: Make sure someone checks that senior film. In fairness, it's not like another elite program swooped in and offered him, but maybe do a more thorough investigation before you cut ties with someone you "discovered"?
December 28th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^
For goodness sake, we just signed Dominick Guidice. How did we not have room for a kid like Weaver back then!?
December 28th, 2020 at 9:20 PM ^
There were already 28 kids in that class and he was ranked in the 1500s per 24/7. It's actually quite understandable why someone would pass on him.
December 28th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^
He actually was 2015 Dominick Guidice. If we were to have “processed” Guidice, what would you be saying today? What would you say in 2025 when he was an AA @ Pitt?
December 28th, 2020 at 9:20 PM ^
Yep. You and I had a quick discussion about Weaver on twitter. I was in the camp that was quite annoyed at how Harbaugh handled this. (I thought he could've been more forthright with Weaver much sooner.) But I also felt Harbaugh was letting a future stud go. Weaver was a developmental prospect but he showed enough flashes of individual brilliance to suggest he could eventually be a strong college player and a NFL/Sunday player if he put things together. (On the flip side, I've got some baaaaad misses too. For instance, I thought Brandon Peters would be the real deal. "Oops.")
But as they say..."when it rain, it pours." The hits just keep coming for Harbaugh right now.
Sidenote: There was an annoying sect of MGoBlog that couldn't look past Weaver's 3 star rating. They overlapped with the "trust the coaches" group. I think it's safe to say that the "trust the coaches" brigade has diminished rapidly in numbers in the last 2 years or so.
December 28th, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^
The "trust the coaches" brigade hasn't diminished. Its vanished.
December 29th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^
I'm still here precious, let's talk.
So you think a post about a player Harbaugh offered, on the spot during a satellite camp before anyone else, turning into an All-American means we shouldn't trust Harbaugh's talent evaluation?
That's pretty funny.
Not to mention is more than likely "processing" Weaver wasn't Harbaugh's choice but Partridge's; if you remember, they where stacking the class with Rashan Gary's boys to make sure he didn't choose another school.
How about this stat:
Since Harbaugh has been head coach he's helped 10 "3* players" get to the NFL while he's had 19 top 250 players transfer without contributing anything.
His talent evaluation beats recruiting rankings any day, all day and every day.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THE SEC STOLE his ability to "evaluate talent" by taking the camps away, which forced him to send Partridge out in the disgusting recruiting underbelly to miss on more recruits than he hit on. He was a bad fit here and he brought in bad fits.
Thankfully the last few classes have turned it around.
I don't trust Harbaugh to manage a clock, but talent evaluation he's on point.
December 28th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^
This is an example of how insane it was for the NCAA (aka SEC) to van those camps. A guy like this might not have ended up at Pitt or as an AA without that chance. Good for him....
I still think Harbaughs tenure turns out different if he didn't keep getting shot down for innovating with camps, hiring coaches/family, etc.
December 29th, 2020 at 10:37 AM ^
This guy gets it.
Even though he gave up too much power to Partridge to get Rashan here, I think having a coach or a qualified family member join the staff to help a recruits transition should be allowed.
Of course the NCAA just wants you to pay them under the table so nothing to help the person of course.
December 29th, 2020 at 9:52 AM ^
Saying goes, one mans trash is another mans treasure. IE Thomas Rawls, could barely get on the field here. I saw him in practice and dude was a monster. Could it have been that practice? Sure, but it matched what I saw in games when he got a few snaps. But was clearly a back that needed reps in the games to get going and once he did, boom. Not that I am any talent scout at all, just what I saw from Rawls was better than what we were getting out of our starting rb's.
Coaches see something different in players all the time or player x doesn't fit what they want in the playbook as well as player y so x sits and y plays. Who knows, I only saw a few practices and I didn't see the summer/fall camps. Just an opinion and one that got railed when I posted it on other boards.
Coaches that get paid miss all the time.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
He is second rate along with Shaun Wade.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
Stars matter big time for QB, RB, WR, TE and some OL prospects. I'm more inclined to "trust" coaches on TE, OL projects and maybe a DT project. Not necessarily these coaches but, all things being equal. All other positions yes, stars really do deserve to be stared at.
Congrats to the young man on the honors though.
December 29th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^
This take on recruiting is correct.
The lines are tough to judge at times but if you get that mixture of top kids and 3 stars things tend to work out.
The rest you get those higher ranked kids especially ones at the skill positions that can change directions quickly! It’s why I’m pretty high on Worthy. He can run and quickly change directions
December 28th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
I know it's fun to re-litigate decisions that turned out poorly, but Weaver was art of the 2016 class that featured 28 recruits, including #1 overall Gary as well as Dwumfour at tackle, along with guys like Kemp that people thought maybe could grow into the roll. And Weaver would have been, by about 400 spots, the lowest non-punter player in the class. I'm really impressed that Weaver turned into such a stud at Pitt and am happy for him, but 99% of the people complaining now are doing so with the advantage of hindsight. In fact, my biggest issue was that they "processed" him on morality grounds, not because he somehow looked like a future stud. Erik Swenson was the guy everyone got worked up over being "processed" if memory serves me right, and he's turned out to be a solid-if-unspectacular tackle for OU. So things sometimes just happen.
December 28th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
So the take home here is schmoes on a message board shouldn't pay attention to stars rather than maybe the staff shouldn't have processed this guy?
December 28th, 2020 at 10:59 PM ^
There are a lot of variables related to how someone will develop in college. He probably got early playing time at Pitt but if he had come to Michigan he may have gotten stuck behind Gary and Winovich and lost confidence or become discouraged. He might have been moved to DT. (I believe he was recruited as a DE or DT.) It is tempting to think that he would have developed the same and become an Al-American if he had gone somewhere else but that is not a sure thing.
December 28th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^
Good for him.
I've watched him play and he seems a solid effort player along with his skills. I hope he has a bright future.
December 29th, 2020 at 12:09 AM ^
Maybe getting processed lit a fire under his ass and helped make him great. You never can predict the future.
December 29th, 2020 at 1:20 AM ^
except when Michigan loses to OSU, then its all about the stars...
December 29th, 2020 at 8:48 AM ^
There are thousands of D1 football players. Picking out one whose success was greater than his ranking proves nothing. Many individual players over/under perform relative to their ranking. The point should be that, ON AVERAGE, the higher the ranking the more likely a player is to succeed.
Is Tom Brady better than a sixth rounder? Yes. But, as a group, qbs taken in round 1 are better than qbs taken in round 6.