Rankings Roundup after Week 12: CFP, SP+, FEI

Submitted by Blue@LSU on November 22nd, 2023 at 8:19 AM

I wasn’t planning on doing one of these this week because, well, we all know what’s coming. Focusing on rankings this week, especially the rankings of other teams, just seems unnatural. But I’ve been doing this all season so I wanted to see it through. 

I dropped the AP rankings and replaced them with the FEI, which I know many people here like as much or more than SP+. So here you go. 

COMPARING CFP, SP+, AND FEI (RANKINGS)

The advanced stats are pretty much in agreement about Michigan and OSU. Michigan is the consensus #1 to both SP+ and FEI, while OSU is the consensus #3. The humans have OSU at #2 and Michigan at #3.

FEI and SP+ also both agree that Oregon is a top-4 team (#2 in FEI and #4 in SP+) and drop Washington down a few spots (#7 & #9, respectively). 

For those that want to keep track, here is the number CFP top 25 teams by conference:

  • SEC: 6
  • Pac 12: 4
  • Big 12: 4
  • B1G: 4
  • ACC: 4
  • Independent: 1
  • AAC: 1
  • CUSA: 1

Here’s a deeper look at the SP+/FEI offensive and defensive ranks for the CFP top 25.

Again, there’s a pretty close agreement between SP+ and FEI. Both have OSU and Michigan as the consensus #1 and #2 defensively. Offensively, Michigan is ranked #3 (FEI) and #6 (SP+), while OSU is ranked #13 (FEI) and #19 (SP+). I don’t know how these FEI and SP+ numbers compare to The Game of years past, but it doesn’t really matter. Shit’s about to get real. LFG!

B1G AND MICHIGAN OPPONENT SP+ RANKINGS

Meanwhile, in the B1G…

UNLV would be the 7th (SP+) or the 9th (FEI) best team in the B1G. BGSU is ranked higher than Indiana and Purdue (SP+) or Indiana and Michigan State (FEI). 

TRENDS (RAW SP+ SCORES)

Here are the weekly changes in the SP+ top 25 from the preseason through Week 12

Michigan has been trending in the right direction since week 7. So has OSU, though they have plateaued the last two weeks. 

SP+ OFFENSE AND DEFENSE (RAW SP+ SCORES)

Standard interpretation applies:

  • Top-right: Good at offense and defense
  • Bottom-right: Good defense, below-average offense
  • Top-left: Good offense, below-average defense
  • Bottom-left: Not so good at football

Recall that these are standardized coefficients, not raw SP+ scores. Each team’s offensive and defensive score represents the number of standard above/below the mean that category. For example, Michigan is 1.3 standard deviations above the the average SP+ offense, and 2.3 standard deviations below (this is good) the average SP+ defense.   

Only 3 B1G offenses are above the P5 average, though I have no idea how PSU is up there. The four worst SP+ offenses in the P5 are all in the B1G. 

SP+ RANKINGS BY CONFERENCE (RAW SP+ SCORES)

Note that I’ve replaced the mean SP+ scores for each conference with the median (the horizontal lines for each conference). Over the last few weeks it’s been painfully obvious that the median is a better indicator of central tendency, at least for the B1G (see graph in first comment). 

Can you hear that giant sucking sound? That’s the sound of all but 3 B1G teams circling the drain. Now does anyone still believe that equal revenue sharing is a good idea?

Need more convincing? Take a look at the B1G offenses.

The B1G is the second worst offensive conference. And I don’t mean only among the P5, but in all of FBS. Only the MAC has a worse median offensive score.   

Fuck the B1G! Fuck Ohio State! 

Go Blue!

Blue@LSU

November 22nd, 2023 at 8:30 AM ^

The box represents the interquartile range. Whiskers extend to 1.5 times the interquartile range. Any observations outside the whiskers are outliers.

1VaBlue1

November 22nd, 2023 at 8:50 AM ^

No toughness score?

I sense the anger seeping out in some of your sentences, Blue - let it go!  Feel the anger.  Yeesss...  

All that's left is winning on the field.

WIN THE FUCKING GAME

Tesel

November 22nd, 2023 at 9:03 AM ^

My concern is that SP+ and FEI aren't designed to handle the outlier that is the big ten this year. Are the top 4 defenses really all in the big ten, or are the offenses in the west just that bad? Is Michigan really that good, or is it a product of an unusually easy schedule? I know Michigan has dominated in a lot of games, but that makes it tough to tell how legit the competition was.

funkywolve

November 22nd, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

I think part of the problem with these rankings for football is the lack of data.  There's only 12 regular season games and 8 or 9 of those games are conference games.  On top of that, the top teams usually don't play each other in non-conference play.

I think SP+ and fei are better when it comes to basketball.  Basketball has around 30 regular season games and the top teams in college basketball often times are playing other top teams.  Not to many teams play have a non-conference schedule of just easy wins.

Yeoman

November 22nd, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^

I'm still hoping to get around to doing a diary about this, but I'll leak one of the punchlines:

If you do Bowl Challenge entries based on (1) initial Vegas point spreads when the bowl schedule is announced and (2) FEI, FEI wins. (SP+ does not.)

I was shocked by this the first time it happened and kept running them year after year. FEI is damn good at this prediction thing, once the whole season is in the books. So is Massey, maybe even more surprisingly.

Denard's Pro Career

November 22nd, 2023 at 9:06 AM ^

Thanks for the graphs. Unfortunately, PSU’s offensive SP+ ranking has me convinced that all of this means nothing.  Or maybe M and osu are just THAT GOOD at defense? Something tells me that it’s hard to adjust for the strength of schedule when nobody in the league plays functional offense

NittanyFan

November 22nd, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^

I get it --- PSU's offense has become a bit of a meme --- but there is a substantial difference between the PSU offense and an Iowa offense. 

PSU is averaging 4.4 offensive TDs per game (x OSU, U-M, Delaware and UMass: eliminating the high- and low-end outlier foes).  And while U-M's passing offense is of course better than PSU's passing offense, I really don't see meaningful differences between their rushing offenses (U-M's YPG for the year is 4.5, PSU's is 4.4, for instance).

Iowa, meanwhile, their offense can't do anything.  PSU's offense can do some things. 

PSU's offense being in the 20th-30th range in advanced metrics has always felt right to me.  And I DO think the metrics also has the U-M (and OSU) defense pegged fairly correctly too.  Legit top 5-ish.

UMFan1780

November 22nd, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

UNLV, should it win the MWC, would be 11-2, a conference champion, and likely in the CFP top 25.  Remind me again that it was a soft non-conference schedule?

Blue In NC

November 22nd, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^

Just a strange feeling (although justified) that Michigan's D is better than UGA (but ranked behind OSU) while Michigan's O is a good bit better than OSU's.

Oh, and while not on USC's level, it's coaching malpractice at LSU with all of that defensive talent and the terrible defensive rating.