Question for the board: Why isn't shady recruiting/bagmen exposed?
Alright, we hear alot of serious talk on this board about bagmen, cash/favors, free stuff, etc being offered by other schools to recruits. Some on this board have even suggested that certain OSU players make six figure salaries...yea.
My questions is this: Why do recruits that are offered these things but end up signing with a school that doesn't offer these things (Michigan) come forward about what they were offered by the shady school?
We read in Brandon's Lasting Lessons that Denard Robinson and Devin Gardner both privately (and jokingly) lamented that they were not offered money and girls at Michigan when other schools were wanting to dish it out. We assume Jabrill and Rashan were also offered extras by other schools. Why would these guys not tell the NCAA, even privately?
Will no one believe them?
Will it come off looking like they are lying?
January 24th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^
I've often wondered why a school like Michigan that seemingly has unlimited resources doesn't launch their own investigation. There are countless other schools with deep pockets that could contribute in this light, Is it because it doesn't happen as often as we suspect so why bother. Is it because the last thing we want is other schools taking a closer look at some or any of our practices. Just a thought.
January 24th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^
Same reason Hackett doesn't demand on non Ohio refs i bet. He wouldn't know where to begin
January 24th, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^
It wouldn't take much inducement for a recruit at a cheating school to make the exact same claim about the University of Michigan. What's another falsehood to the cheaters?
January 24th, 2017 at 2:11 PM ^
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January 24th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^
Re the original OP question, there's virtually no incentive cost/benefit -wise for the clean recruit to whistle-blow, as insightfully detailed above.
Further, I think there is no constituency of clear, morally-wronged victims to support such a movement.
The recruits have freedom of choice as to risk going dirty for money for the family and getting a P5 degree, or staying clean to avoid hassles and getting a P5 degree. Their personal choice.
The SEC/ACC/OSU bagman money isn't being filched from the poorbox at the local parish; it comes from dudes up the food chain in the booster network forgoing another new set of golf clubs or another weekend in Vegas. Further, it's not money from an Athletic Department (shortchanging women's softball) or a University account (creating a shortfall for the Gender Studies field trip) -- money from Ath. Dept./Univ. accounts would be too easy to trace and prosecute under state funding/misappropriation -- that's why it's all cash (and/or 3rd-party auto leases to "uncles" from car-dealer boosters, etc.).
Short of abstract philosophical discussion about amateurism and morals, the only obvious victims are fans of "clean" (or comparatively "clean") schools and programs like ours... and I think most of us accept that disadvantage with a stiff upper lip for the greater good of U-M.
January 24th, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^
January 24th, 2017 at 8:15 PM ^
We should know all this as well from Ed Martin. They may or may not be affiliated with the program so from recruit perspective, it's unfair to punish the program probably years later when the CBAA finally renders judgment. I don't agree obviously, and i'm certain that some SEC coaches do directly send out the bagmen, who probably tells the recruits he has nothing to do with said coach
January 24th, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
Many of these inner city school kids come from cultures where "Snitching" or reporting crimes is extremely taboo. The culture will hold people back from even reporting a murderer to authorities let alone some guy bribing a recruit.
An interesting story of bagmen comes from Derrick Henry. Right after signing with Alabama he mysteriously ends up with a Red Dodge Challenger. Of course he refuted the statements saying his family bought him the car which is highly unlikely as the cars price tag was higher than the average median income of families in his city. Another player claimed Alabama tried to give him a Corvette for signing to them
Maybe recruits do report these incidenrts of schools trying to bribe them. We would never know if some recruit reported an incident of some Alabama bagman trying to bribe players. It seems the NCAA doesnt care
January 24th, 2017 at 7:20 PM ^
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January 24th, 2017 at 7:01 PM ^
stuff like this a lot, especially during recruiting. Particularly in basketball and football, it seems somewhat surprising that some group of former players has not come out saying what they offered/received.
But I think a lot of this depends on the angle you are looking at. If a player goes to school A, gets some "perks," and graduates, chances are he enjoyed the school, loved his position coaches, and does not want to hurt the institution, coaches, or teammates/alums.
I look at a guy who is unhappy and transfers. I wonder if his transfer "restrictions" are contingent on confidentiality? Also wonder how much influence and power some of these donors wield for kids getting jobs other than football?
January 24th, 2017 at 8:10 PM ^
The CBAA has no supoena power and bagmen are used because it leaves no evidence other than heresay. Also like any politician, what the CBAA says they want and what they really want are entirely different. Going after some small time coach for buying lunch for his players is one thing. Going after bagmen would have the SEC talking secession. If you believe a certain report not long ago, only the few bluebloods are able to compete without bribing recruits. And out of these only a very few don't offer bribes, because their presidents wouldn't allow it. So if Michigan and say UCLA threatens to leave if Ole Miss and Auburn etc aren't given the death penalty as they should, do you think the carry the same weight as the entire SEC plus likely half of every other conference?
As to why Denard and so on don't come forward, obviously some of them do when asked. But here's the thing, until their college career is over, they don't want to be viewed as a snitch. Christ, look what happened to Ped State's former QB coach and that's after he turned in a pedophilia ring. He's blacklisted now. These elite players don't want to wreck a chance of grad transfer to those very same programs. They are not willing to throw their careers away just to make accusations the CBAA will never follow up on. They have 0 respect for CBAA either and aren't about to help. Plus they never actually received the $, so they can't prove much themselves and might even get sued for slander