Power 5 on verge of cancelling
In short nobody wants to be first and nobody wants to be last. Big Ten Presidents supposed to meet tonight.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29629669/power-5-talking-no-fall-football
It’s not his fault at all that the virus is here, and no administration could’ve ever prevented it. But the way this country has handled the response to it is largely, if not all, on him.
The disjointed response as to how this country should fight or stave off the virus, the political/cultural war that has come about with lockdowns and wearing masks....that is a direct result of his lack of leadership, wanting to pass the buck to the states so he can focus on pretending the economy is still booming, and his actively feeding the worst desires/impulses of his own base.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:30 AM ^
Oh you're all being too hard on Trump. It's not like the previous four global pandemics (2014 Ebola, 2012 MERS, 2009 H1N1, and 2003 SARS) didn't all rage out of control and kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.
...oh wait, that's right, they didn't...
August 10th, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^
You can’t even compare those outbreaks to COVID-19. Worldwide they were handled, not just here. 184 countries dealing with this and nobody has totally eradicated it but Sweden, New Zealand? So every government has failed. If they’ve all failed, have they really all failed? I get it, you hate Trump but don’t allow that hate to keep you from seeing the overall, worldwide effects of this. Not one off anomalies...
August 10th, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^
What's funny is I was making a point about how the press will more than likely stop hyping up COVID numbers once Biden is elected, rather than the government suddenly becoming magically more effective(Spoiler Alert: It won't). And you ran the complete and utter opposite direction of the point I was making.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:47 AM ^
It will. Start in March, end in early June. Most teams will be done by late May start camp in Late August-early September, end season at normal time by playing through December.
Glad it’s over with now compared to a week before the season was planning to take place. Now they can buy some time to see if things improve in time for a football season during the second semester.
Scamdemic strikes again
Get outta my dreams and get into my car. But keep me away from whatever crazy town you’re living in.
Fuck you, Billy Ocean
Do you really believe this is a scam? Have hundreds of thousands of people not actually died? What the fuck is wrong with you
August 10th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
And seems lately everybody is only dying from this COVID thing. No heart disease, cancer, etc... only COVID.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^
Um, yeah no. If you actually read real news, you might already be aware that so far this year we have about 200k excess deaths over and above a normal year. 160k of those are known to be covid.
Do you ever do anything except mumble some little bit of nonsense from facebook? I have yet to see you post one single relevant bit of actual, real, information.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:04 PM ^
DemPanic
August 10th, 2020 at 5:44 AM ^
Yeah, 162k dead and counting, with no end in sight, that’s a real hoax the democrats have put together, huh?
August 10th, 2020 at 6:28 AM ^
Fucking moron.
The BIG has led with a TV network, conference expansion, conference-only schedule this year. The media can pretend the SEC and ACC will still play, but everyone will follow the BIG like usual (for better or for worse).
The schedules for all conferences were put out as a "if everything goes perfectly" scenario as to be prepared. All the Power 5 had to do it, just to be ready for a best case scenario. You can't just wind up a season a week before kickoff after all.
That said, all these schedules and plans came with the disclaimer of - "if everything goes well, etc"
Many of us were more excited about a schedule release than actually reading the tea leaves here.
Been trending this way for a while. Let’s just rip the band aid off and get this over with.
Not going to pretend I have all the answers, but it would be nice to see more comprehensive data about the effects of COVID on 18-23 yos with no extenuating conditions. Is the risk of COVID in that age group greater than the risk of playing football in general?
Would it be safer to hold preseason practices now when they can do it outdoors with no students on campus, instead of, say, February? Does anyone have confidence we'll have it together as a country by then? It's so frustrating that our country has made zero progress on this in 5 months.
Zero progress? Come on. Our death rate has plummeted since the beginning and we’re getting better treatments all the time. Great? Probably not, but no progress? Get outta here with that.
Four months ago today there were 1800 deaths. Yesterday it was 1200 deaths. That's "progress" but certainly not a plummet.
New York has 450k cases and 32k deaths. TX has had 500k cases and 8k deaths. That’s progress. Early on we were talking about 2 or 3% IFR. Now we are in the 0.5% to 0.7% range. If we get the same drop over the next 6 months we would be talking about 0.1 it 0.2% IFR and this would essentially be over
August 9th, 2020 at 10:31 PM ^
Yes, and New York had the vast majority of those cases and deaths 3+ months ago. Over the past 30 days NY has had about 240 deaths due to COVID; Texas has had 5500 deaths. Texas had MONTHS to get ready, to prepare appropriately and institute necessary procedures to limit the spread of this disease. And by the way, that's 5500 even with a decent proportion of people staying at home, wearing masks, etc.
The current US death rate per million people is 3.4 (7-day average); virtually every other industrialized nation is well below 1 per million. Applying your extremely generous prognostications about infection rates to the 7-day average death count, that would be about 450/day. Mind you, that's a rate the US hasn't actually averaged since the outbreak picked up in April. But multiply that 6 months and that's...82k more deaths. And mind you the infection rate now is based on people mostly still staying at home and not mixing much; open up schools and try to "get back to business" in the fall and I severely doubt this rate stays that low.
So save me this revisionist history where 170k+ dead Americans was somehow inevitable and how this easily-communicable, somewhat-indiscriminate disease will just fade away if given enough time. Yes, at some point (provided it doesn't significantly mutate, which is always a real possibility) enough people will be exposed that "herd immunity" kicks in. That means, of course, the disease "won" and likely killed hundreds of thousands of people.
We're not getting college football this fall, and likely all year. Kids all across this country are going to struggle to get proper educational opportunities and experiences, and as a society we'll all be worse off for the experience. It sucks, and I'm just so tired with people trying to minimize how much it will because they don't want to accept that American Exceptionalism doesn't exist and we, as a country, did an awful job responding to this crisis.
Oh look, here comes Eric Trump to the rescue again
That should have been explained to the players, and I've argued this for a while: what is the risk for them compared to seasonal flu? No idea how college football didn't figure that out. Here is a graph that shows risk for general population, and at 200K deaths this scenario assumes roughly equivalent risk for their age group. For athlete-level physiologies I would guess it is much lower. But they should have that answer, for players and staff.
There certainly has been a lot of progress made in 5 months. But this is virus, it's difficult. Look at Jaoan, who everyone loved for their response, now they're a basket case. Sweden was ridiculed, loved, then ridiculed again, and is now one of the best positioned counties in the world (their high death rate, according to the WSJ, was because 97% of elderly patients were not taken to ICU, which is mind boggling).
The death rate today is understood to be many orders of magnitude lower than it was speculated at months ago.
Unknown long term effects are the only reason to cancel the season, and it's a very thin one based on the evidence. Now of course anyone should be able to judge the risks for themselves and opt out.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
These are the facts that some dismiss or overlook because it doesn’t fit the narrative of fear. We’ve know since the outset that our elderly and those with underlying conditions are most vulnerable, not those that should be in the best shape of their life. The players I’d be most concerned about are the ol/dl that are overweight.
"In short nobody wants to be first and nobody wants to be last."
Sounds like a game I played as a youth in Quebec. 5 of us would stand on the railroad tracks with an oncoming train. No one wanted to be first to jump away, but of course being last could be deadly.
Sounds like my favorite biscuit-themed game.
This is not news to any of the respective school's AD's, coaches or University decision makers. Nobody wanted to be the first to fold, hoping for a miracle, but it looked inevitable starting a month ago.
I don't think they were wrong to put out a schedule and be prepared just in case things went perfectly, but the players, the coaches, and AD employees knew this was the most probable outcome even before summer practices were hitting their stride.
As stated before, the good news for the UM AD is that as of now, they are financially capable of not letting go of any mid-level and lower level employees, and there is no indication that they are planning any layoffs - at least not this fall.
Plans for a spring season alternative began about 2 weeks ago. They have yet to plan how they would handle a complete cancellation until next fall regarding scholarships, seniors, etc. if that indeed does come to pass.
They’d better plan for it, because that’s what is happening.
It's Happening.
EDIT: Looks like on Monday now.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^
Ah yes, the guillotine ?
This was inevitable
If the season is played in the spring, is there any chance that early enrollees could play?
Sure. Let the JJ era begin.
I know it was inevitable but I was truly holding out hope. I love the sport. It’s my favorite of all of them and my fall will be way less awesome because of it. I know it’s the right thing to do. I’m not upset that they won’t play. Still, it sucks.
Hey at least we won't lose to OSU this season
Can we at least have one game a month ? ??? Each conference takes a week!!! Give it one game ?
The least they can do is wait for me to finish my HTTV.
August 10th, 2020 at 8:31 AM ^
Spot on. The NFL is considering trying to schedule games on Saturdays if college football is cancelled.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:08 PM ^
Well MAC was first
August 9th, 2020 at 10:21 PM ^
A lot of fans will become totally depressed and throw this on top of loosing your job, awful economy, being locked up at home all the time. I'm afraid suicide rates will be increasing, unfortunately.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:11 AM ^
Awful economy?
August 10th, 2020 at 8:32 AM ^
Yes, the high unemployment from businesses closing.
August 10th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^
Um, yes. Have you not looked at the numbers for the last quarter? Made the Great Depression look tame in comparison. But it hasn't had time to filter down through to the plebes yet. Give it time. I'm sure Biden will take the blame, because that's how you guys roll.
August 9th, 2020 at 10:39 PM ^
Maybe a silver lining but I’d expect NFL games to be spread out Thursday thru Monday with nationally televised games on fridays and saturdays.
August 10th, 2020 at 8:04 AM ^
This thread proves two things.
1 - there is not much hope for NCAA football this fall
2 - there are a bunch of morons in the world
2 is actually more depressing