Poor Cal fans are in full-on meltdown mode

Submitted by FrankMurphy on August 4th, 2023 at 7:37 PM

TL;DR - Cal is in some serious trouble, and their fans are buying up torches and pitchforks. The B1G presidents (who are supposedly pushing for Cal and Stanford to be invited) might be their only hope.

I'm not posting this for schadenfreude because no one really wishes ill upon Cal. If anything, I'm guessing that most of us want to see Cal do well since UC-Berkeley is basically Michigan's West Coast twin (albeit the dirtier, poorer, and more disheveled twin).

https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/oregon-washington-big-ten

The comments give a window into how angry their fans are at the university leadership that has driven their AD completely into the ground over the past 10+ years. They've incurred a massive amount of debt that would have taken them the better part of the next century to pay off even if the Pac-?? were on solid financial footing. Now, with the Pac facing imminent collapse, they may not ever be able to pay it off.

As a Michigan alum in the Bay Area, I definitely want to see Cal get its act together and thrive. But if they can't manage to snag a B1G invite, their athletic department might literally be facing total disintegration. Given that it's Berkeley, there are influential nutjob factions within the university that hate college football and everything it represents. The impending collapse of the Pac could energize those factions and force a shutdown of the program altogether. It seems inconceivable that an FBS football program would go from Power 5 status to defunct seemingly overnight, but here we are.

Relatedly, I'm hearing that the B1G university presidents are pushing hard for Cal and Stanford to be invited, but that Fox Sports and the other media partners are pushing back (I can't find the link where I read that). For mostly selfish reasons, I'm hoping they can find a way to get a deal done.

J. Redux

August 5th, 2023 at 2:28 AM ^

If we’ve learned nothing else from the internet, haven’t we learned that it can amplify voices for a like-minded audience?

Look, if you’re going to take people literally, sure.  Cal’s team has parents too.  But in a metaphorical sense, compared to the Midwest, no, Cal has no fans, and the voices you’re reading are not representative.

It’s something the Big Ten is about to learn for itself when it wonders why nobody in Seattle or Portland is buying BTN.

ckersh74

August 4th, 2023 at 7:56 PM ^

Take them both. Go to 20. 4 divisions of 5. Take two weeks for the division winners to play down to a conference champ. Let #2-5 in each division have crossovers to meet any schedule requirements.

rob f

August 4th, 2023 at 8:08 PM ^

There's just a slight problem with this scenario, though: taking both Cal and Stanford means 6 West Coast teams, so which one of them gets sent to a theoretical "Plains Pod" to join Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and probably Wisconsin?  

Or does the B1G instead expand to 24 teams?  I sure hope not.

Chaco

August 4th, 2023 at 9:28 PM ^

My theory when OU/UT was announced was that we will have 2 24-team conferences (SEC and B1G)

4 6-pod divisions 

sort of like an enlarged AFC/NFC

and then you do playoffs and scheduling with the 2 winners facing each other in CFB Super Bowl

but perhaps I’m wrong

NittanyFan

August 4th, 2023 at 7:57 PM ^

I’ll give it 72 hours until a prominent 55-year-old California male politician releases a statement and/or has a press conference, trying to force the Big Tens hand here.

That’s not “politics” - that’s a prediction.  I fully expect others to get involved here - they already did with “Cal-imony”

DTOW

August 4th, 2023 at 7:58 PM ^

Feel bad for their fans but as far as I'm concerned if Cal doesn't give a shit about their own athletics program why should anyone else?  They've allowed a bunch of nutjobs to infiltrate their circles of influence and the bill came due.

FrankMurphy

August 4th, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^

They've allowed a bunch of nutjobs to infiltrate their circles of influence and the bill came due.

That's not the source of Cal's woes. Berkeley will always have anti-sports, anti-capitalism nutjobs. But with Cal's AD, it was quite the opposite, actually. They incurred massive, eye-popping amounts of debt to fund a lavish stadium expansion project (technically, the purpose of the project was to seismically retrofit the stadium to account for problems caused by the Hayward Fault that runs directly underneath it, but they went overboard and added a bunch of unnecessary amenities). They were banking on the idea that they could recoup the money from sales of luxury suites to their wealthy Silicon Valley alumni base. In fact, they used Michigan as their model. They didn't account for the fact that Cal doesn't have nearly the athletic brand strength that Michigan has and that the university's terrible alumni relations department never bothered to cultivate a culture of giving and support among their alumni base.

Mr. Robot

August 4th, 2023 at 8:09 PM ^

Less than zero interest in adding Cal personally. The B1G can get a school that is both strong academically and not a dumpster fire athletically. And one that produces less embarrassing alumni.

If we're assuming we take exactly two more, I'd go Stanford and Notre Dame. Stanford is bad in the big sports but very good in all the rest and bring as much or more to the table academically as Cal. Bring them in probably pushes Notre Dame over the edge; the B1G will have all of their traditional rivals except Navy at that point if I'm remembering them all. Yes yes, to hell with Notre Dame and all, but thinking purely business it makes sense and I think even they have to see the writing on the wall this time and they are going to want exactly zero to do with the SEC culturally.

HouseHarbaugh

August 4th, 2023 at 8:22 PM ^

I hope they find a way to get to the B1G, especially with UCLA coming. I hope Stanford comes too. Feel bad for Oregon State and Washington State though. They got lost in the shuffle...

98xj

August 4th, 2023 at 8:30 PM ^

Cal fans can blame their arrogant University leadership. Demanding "Calimony" when UCLA joined is emblematic of the Cal BoT worldview. 

NittanyFan

August 4th, 2023 at 8:41 PM ^

Yep - the smart move, especially given the possible implosion of the PAC-12 was fairly possible - would have been being nice to UCLA.  Nope, they instead demanded a bunch of their $$$.

But as you said, that’s Cal.  It’s not everybody up there - but a number of them not only look down on UCLA (a top 5 research school in the country!), they would close the school and burn down Westwood if they could.

Vasav

August 4th, 2023 at 8:47 PM ^

i hate super conferences, but if we're going to be a superconference i'd rather make as many fans happy as possible.

also...do we need to take potshots at poor people displaced by the housing crisis in a CFB thread? I was annoyed when everybody was dumping on Detroit a decade or so back. This post was informative but that line was crass and unnecessary.

MIMark

August 4th, 2023 at 8:56 PM ^

Is this a plausible scenario? All the current ACC programs vote to dissolve the ACC. Bye bye grant of rights. Then they form a new "Coastal Conference", formed of all the current ACC programs, plus Cal, Stanford, Wazzou, and Oregon State. Academic powerhouse. Solid football and basketball Conference. And the size of the other power conferences. Negotiate a new media rights deal.

Is that legally possible?

MIMark

August 4th, 2023 at 9:27 PM ^

Simply to get out of the ACC media deal and negotiate a new one. Their media deal runs for another 13 years and it is pretty dismal compared to the Big Ten and SEC. And there's no way out of that deal that I've heard. Hence why a few programs desperately want out. I would think if given the chance, they could negotiate a far better deal.

TruBluMich

August 4th, 2023 at 11:20 PM ^

OK lets go over how that's going to go down.  What position is this new "Coastal Conference" going to be in by adding 4 bottom feeders from the Pac 12, and losing Clemson, Florida State and possibly Miami? They would be in the same position the Pac 12 was in when they lost USC and UCLA.  Sports broadcasting companies DO NOT care about academics.

Perkis-Size Me

August 4th, 2023 at 8:59 PM ^

What do Cal and Stanford offer aside from academic prestige?

They bring nothing to the table, if what you’re looking for is more eyeballs and a bigger slice of pie. They are rats on a sinking ship begging not to drown.

They are elite academic institutions. That’s it. As athletic programs, they may be well rounded, but they are dead weight, from a revenue and eyeballs perspective. I’d honestly rather hold out for ND or even wait another 5-10 years for Clemson/FSU. They don’t hold the same academic weight, but they bring more to the table.