Please Stop Pining for Luke Fickell

Submitted by Bo Harbaugh on November 1st, 2020 at 11:46 AM

Yes, I want a reboot and Harbaugh out, but the pining for Luke Fickell is ridiculous.

Every year there is a new hot coach that goes up in flames at his next gig or simply has 1 good year (Tom Herman, PJ Fleck, Scott Frost!, etc, etc).  Hell, even Brady Hoke had his "poop gold" year.

We brought in a guy with years of proven success, and we are in year 6 and stuck in mediocrity.  It's a total dong punch, but hiring an OSU retread that was passed over by one of the greatest football minds and modern era college football coaches (Urbz) for Ryan Day, should tell us something. Urbz knows football, Urbz knows coaching acumen.

I have no idea who we can get, but Fickell is definitely not taking us where Meyer, Saban and Sweeney go. That said, more than coaching needs to be addressed as well.

First, the AD needs to commit to winning, SEC/OSU style - yes, win at all costs. If we don't do this, 10-3 is our ceiling regardless who coaches the program.

We need a young, innovative, and energetic recruiter  (assuming we don't get Saban, Urbz, or Dabo - the pipe dream choices). I would go after someone off the Saban coaching tree if possible. 

Whatever it is, Fickell is Brady Hoke with a headset - so unless he manages to poach half of OSU's staff, he's not the answer.

A_Maized

November 1st, 2020 at 12:45 PM ^

He has clearly improved, and would immediately have a significant impact in recruiting Ohio.  His Cincy squad would have beat UM last year and would roll them this year.  Cincy doesn’t have a “money cannon”, or anything even resembling our facilities or resources, yet we would lose to them on the field.  He would be a huge upgrade to Harbaugh.  

Bo Harbaugh

November 1st, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

Because we want SEC results and he's not that coach.

This loss was the worst of the Harbaugh era, no doubt, but if you give him a mulligan on yesterday, UM is performing exactly as it should given the AD constraints.

Stop expecting Bama, OSU, Clemson results if you don't want to play by those rules.  Nobody else in CFB has been able to break through consistently (and some like UGA and SEC are trying like hell), so the expectation that UM can is unrealistic.

uncle leo

November 1st, 2020 at 12:04 PM ^

I thought the guy Michigan brought in was going to give us SEC results? Like, championships and tons of success? Unless I was mistaken?

At the end of the day, no one has any clue how a new coach will perform in a new situation. Coaches with low expectations have done great, coaches with high expectations have underperformed. Trying to predict success is impossible.

GhostofJermain…

November 1st, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^

LF is a staunch Catholic.  He also does not care about $, or the difference between 20-40m I should say.  He will only go to ND, O$U, or another city with crazy Catholic background.  I didn't realize Cincy was such a large Catholic area, and LF loves it there and so does his family.  LF will not coach at Michigan under any circumsatnces.

Personally, and I'm sure I will get killed for this but I want JH to stay and get this thing back on the tracks.  My personal opinion is he will be sick of hearing all the BS and bail after next year (also his water polo daughter senior year).  From there my list would be, first making coaches say no.

Saban, Dabo, Payton, McVay

Once all the above say yes or no

Joe Brady, Josh McDaniels, O'Brien and Dan Mullen

if we still have no luck

Gase, Gundy, Venebles.

Cheers 

UcheWallyWally

November 1st, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^

I have to say this a pretty disappointing list coming from you.  For starters Gase is a complete loon and should not be under any kind of consideration.  Also not a fan B.O.B.  , sure he’s a better coach than GM but I’m not sure he’s that great of a coach either. Also don’t see him having a ton of recruiting appeal.    
 

I think Brady and Bienemy should probably be targets 1a and1b but they are both liking to get NFL jobs.  McDaniels is interesting but risky.  He has that kind of shyster persona that seems to lead to a lot of success at the college level.  Plus there’s the Brady and brother connections already in place.  
 

In all honesty there’s not a ton of big name guys who are also realistic that are really that thrilling.  I think a deep search is going to be needed and awards might have to take a chance on a guy. 
 

I believe they will use covid/2020 as an excuse and probably throw Don Brown under the bus. Harbaugh will get 1 more year like it or not

 

this was in response to Ghost

Are You Not En…

November 1st, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^

Another incredible thread. Michigan is not gonna go SEC/OSU style. That’s changing an entire university’s mindset, not a football program’s. This loss blew and is unacceptable. Don’t care if he’s fired or not. This is exactly where we’ve been historically and where we will always be. Maybe NIL out did closer to even since we cna then spend like crazy. 

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^

This is not where Michigan "has always been". Michigan competed with the likes of OSU in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. Michigan has a budget and has shown a willingness to spend, albeit not effectively. 

I don't want to sit around being a nihilist about the program. Things can change and things can improve, it will just take a complete culture change. Maybe it isn't likely, but this is a Michigan blog and we should discuss these things. 

Are You Not En…

November 1st, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^

They always had less talent than OSU, the gap was just smaller. It’s not bigger because we recruit worse, it’s bigger because they recruit better. This is EXACTLY who we’ve been. Again, yesterday should’ve been a walk in the park. No disagreement there, but overall harbaugh has returned us to where we’re historically at, outside of OSU but they’re in the midst of their greatest run in 40 years. With the constraints set by school culture, I’m of the opinion it’s not worth the risk of the VERY small chance we strike gold and VERY large chance we get someone who does worse. But I’m cool with either. 

mr_garydaniels

November 1st, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^

This.  This.  This.  Thank you.

 

We also used to have stars on both sides of the ball...guys who would put up crazy numbers and explosive highlight reels.  Now it seems like everything is by committee and our top receiver will have about half the rec yards of a Braylon Edwards, David Terrell, or hell, even a Jason Avant!  And this is 2020, where we play more games and offenses have to be explosive...

 

I feel like the program lost its identity in Columbus in 2006.  I really felt like Harbaugh would give us an identity again, but he looks pretty lost, himself.

jmblue

November 1st, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^

The fundamental problem is that we're not facing those same OSU teams from the 80/90s.  Since 2012 OSU has won over 90% of its games and is recruiting at an unbelievable level for a Midwestern school.  I think we may need an unforced error on their end to get back into the series.

PSU's current program probably represents about what we can hope to achieve.  But while they've been more competitive in their games with OSU than we have, they aren't winning them either.  And they just lost to IU.

Coldwater

November 1st, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

I’ve seen his name thrown around a little as a possible replacement by fans.   Fans are just so disgusted by yesterday’s game, that we’re throwing names out there and seeing if they’ll stick.    I’d go after Urban Meyer, but if feel that would never happen by the administration.   They like Jim and his steady hand.  

Zumbo

November 1st, 2020 at 1:51 PM ^

I am always puzzled by this kind of remark.  What makes you think that Urban would coach at UM?  While he totally respects the program, he can't stand it.  They are the enemy to him.  And no amount of money will ever change that.  My other question is how UM fans can pine for Urban when for seven years, all you guys did was complain about what a cheater and a scumbag he is.  Just sayin'.

username03

November 1st, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^

I think you got this backward. We know this is as good as it gets with JH. Fickell could do better or could be worse but I'm pretty sure any reasonably competent coach can give us exactly what we're currently getting.

RXwolverine

November 1st, 2020 at 11:55 AM ^

Your premise makes zero sense. When woody was destroying Michigan we went out and took a former osu assistant. Like might not be the answer but there’s no reason not to try 

GoBlueBill

November 1st, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^

I dont think we should go after a coach from the Saban tree . Have any of them been succesful outside of Bama ? Bama OSU and now Clemson have built programs that , it doesnt matter who coaches them. They will be successful , more succesfsul than us . 

I would like a coach who can outcoach the rest , but even then we wont compete year in , year out with the above mentioned teams .

Montana41GoBlue

November 1st, 2020 at 11:59 AM ^

We will likely need to wait to see how this season plays out.  If it continues badly with another OSU pummeling and season ending bowl loss, I really wonder if a contract extension will be offered to JH.  W. Manuel may be pushed to make a change and the 7th and final year of the JH contract never realized.