Pete Thamel: B1G vote expected in next 72 hours
Fingers crossed.
Sources: The Big Ten presentation by the Return to Competition Task Force has ended successfully today. The full 14 Big Ten Chancellors and Presidents will meet tomorrow are expected to vote on return to play in next 72 hours. Today is the step before the step.
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) September 12, 2020
September 12th, 2020 at 5:49 PM ^
Is it really that mysterious? I doubt they have a widespread mononucleosis problem all of a sudden.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:48 PM ^
It has been 6 months. I don't know why you're still trying to reason with these people.
Informal poll: Could those who minimize covid risks identify if you believe in climate science? I'm pretty sure I know the answer but I'm curious to see if there's any divergence between these two groups.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:00 PM ^
I noted this overlap in the forest fire thread earlier. It's real, and it's mostly the same people.
September 12th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Lincoln should have let the south go.
We would probably have a colony on Mars by now.
September 12th, 2020 at 9:48 PM ^
My favorite part of the forest fire thread was all the people bitching about liberals and environmentalists even though super conservative Idaho is actually the worst place for forest fires. We just hear about the big west coast cities more.
September 12th, 2020 at 10:25 PM ^
Also the parts saying that if we just let larger logging corporations do whatever they want then there would be no forest fires.
Which I guess is true because there would be no forests.
September 12th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^
Idaho? Source?
September 12th, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^
Nuclear weapons are the greatest threat to Mankind. The only thing preventing the annihilation of the species are humans which is a very tenuous restraint.
Yet people ignore it for other threats. People are led by the nose to threats by activists or politicians. The average person rarely ponders the threats to Mankind beyond those giving attention by the media.
September 13th, 2020 at 12:10 AM ^
Your claims are always binary, overly simplistic, lack any nuance, and based in some 1940's -1950's dystopian genres.
Viruses, super computer intelligence (self-awareness), and nano-technology have all been cited as greater threats to humanity than nuclear war by numerous scientists and mathematicians. You can find evidence/studies quantifying and claiming each of these as the greatest threat to mankind.
In fact, viruses, naturally occurring or weaponized are considered a much greater threat to humanity than nuclear weapons.
Honest question... do you read, study or examine any literature or topics post the Baby Boomer generation?
September 12th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^
Just reading up on the Clemson/Wake Forest game. 3 Clemson starters are out, plus a bunch more bench players. They do not specify the reason why they're out, but will share their COVID report with Wake sometime today. Their team flew to Winston Salem despite having COVID cases still floating around the team (I guess just to show Clemson really doesn't give an F. It's a 3 hr car ride), and now they're going to play football. I think if this was an EPL or NBA game it would've been cancelled. But it sounds like they're going to play.
Just a bunch of crap decisions being made so the football coaches and athletic department can collect their salaries. Who cares about the public health or the well being of your football players. And yes, the athletes do have a choice, but if you're a marginal player and sit out, you're going to be ostracized. So, really, they don't have a choice.
I dunno. I want to watch football, but it seems like college football in Fall 2020 will be won by teams that are most willing to risk their players health. If the NCAA had any real authority or backbone, they could institute some rules for fair and safer play, but there's been none of that. It's just a total shitshow and every team is going to be left wondering how much they can trust the opposition to sit a key player that either has COVID or has been in contact with someone with COVID.
September 12th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^
I am of the mind that with proper rules and regulations, sports can be done successfully and safely. But this is FUCKING COLLEGE SPORTS. The same geniuses that brought you Ole Miss blatantly cheating for years and receiving little to no punishment, the same geniuses that brought you an academic scandal at UNC with no punishments, the same geniuses that let Brian Kelly MURDER a kid and is still coaching the same team years later. Sports could work if those infected are quarantined and not allowed to play. They will NOT work because there is no chance in hell that Dabo would let an infected Trevor Lawrence miss a game against Duke or that Day would let an asymptomatic Fields miss even a quarter against Rutgers. These are people and schools who value winning above all else. They have no sense of the severity or scope of the pandemic. They will risk lives for competitive advantage, full stop.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:09 PM ^
Yup. And I don't want to sound like I'm entirely against the Big Ten playing football ASAP. If they have real, transparent & enforceable rules and procedures in place they should be able to play. The Big Ten should administer the COVID tests and the positive results should be shared with the public as soon as they're received. If you do not have an independent body administering these tests and providing the positive results in a completely transparent way, then you can't trust anybody. Maybe this is what's occurring in other conferences to a certain extent, but the ACC is absolutely losing on transparency by only requiring to share results on the day of the game, which is just insane.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
Speaking of crime and punishment, I received my second letter today from Michigan again letting me know that if I was molested by Anderson, I was welcome to let them know.
Are we going to be upset if the NCAA does nothing to Michigan?
September 12th, 2020 at 8:48 PM ^
Obviously Michigan is not absolved of sin. Hell, the most egregious example of improper concussion protocol was in the big house less than six years ago. College sports is broken, and I don't expect them to fix it during a pandemic to boot
September 12th, 2020 at 5:54 PM ^
It's like deja vu all over again.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:02 PM ^
I bet they vote to return. They were cautious, which isn't crazy, but now with everyone else going forward, they are being forced to move forward. Tough time to be in a leadership position. Let's hope the kids get through the season healthy.
September 13th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^
I'm not sure that ~60% of the FBS (much lower when the rest of CFB is included) constitutes "everyone else". Also, of those that have been playing there are numerous instances of cancelations/postponements, with increasing speculation that the season will not be played to completion - not exactly an encouraging situation.
To me, this all seems to be the leagues tip-toing through a minefield hoping they don't take a wrong step. Just one instance of a player/coach/staffer landing up in a severe medical condition (or worse) and this could all blow up in their faces - especially if it is well publicized. Couple that with the early indications (yet not fully determined) risk of long term lung & heart issues for those that have recovered... it just seems a lot of potential risk simply to salvage one partial season.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^
Watch, all the October talk will turn out to be posturing by coaches and ADs, and it will be announced after the vote that the season is starting in November, December, or January.
Buckeye heads everywhere explode in unison.
In all seriousness, have any real sources even mentioned an October start? I don’t mean Dan Patrick or others with anonymous info. I mean a school official...someone in the know.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:26 PM ^
Harbaugh said this last week.
“Maybe, possibly. That we could possibly, maybe — there’s a chance — that we could be playing sometime in October, early October. There’s a chance of that.”
September 12th, 2020 at 8:57 PM ^
Thanks. Forgot about that quote. Still comes off more as wishful thinking in my opinion, but it definitely qualifies as someone in the know.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:18 PM ^
I really hope they play. My personal preference.
But, how can the university justify this without being hypocrites? Maybe cause they never talked about it publicly? And they can’t say “cases are going down.” Cause they aren’t. MSU just had an outbreak. Is it the money or pressure pushing them? What about these “myocarditis” cases? Those haven’t gone away. Is it that they were the only group (along with the PAC 12) to hold out, and now they regret that decision. I think it’s a bad look and I am interested to see how it spins out.
I’m really excited for college football to be back.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:27 PM ^
If they vote to play, I won't be surprised at all to see them vote again in a couple weeks to not play after outbreak results from today and next Saturday are known. Stay buckled up.
September 12th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^
Kind of what I’m thinking. They will vote to play in the next few days just to put out the firestorm of people bitching at them. Then won’t be surprised if they cancel again in a few weeks.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:32 PM ^
If it happens hopefully not until sometime in November, just to piss off OSU fans.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:42 PM ^
Based off the 8 schools meeting today with the subcommittee I would say this still doesn't hold well for an overturn. The Big Ten needs 6 University Presidents to overturn their vote, Which is why you probably see Iowa, Nebraska and Ohio St meeting with 5 of the no votes. And I don't envision Northwestern nor Rutgers (President is a former NW provest) being pursuaded so easily.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:07 PM ^
Holloway of Rutgers just said yesterday:
"I don't think I'm wrong, though. I just don't think it.”
Looking for some presidents with humility. And, yes, I recognize that the POTUS is not a positive example for the university presidents.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:41 PM ^
Then you should have read his entire statement, he wasn't being arrogant at all.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
I read it all yesterday - and I respectfully disagree with you. Having said that - I sincerely respect the difficulty of this decision. He is a president of a B1G institution - and we are essentially anonymous bloggers.
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September 12th, 2020 at 6:57 PM ^
It's going to be tight. I think it comes down to wildcards Wisconsin and Purdue.
In:
Nebraska
Ohio State
Minnesota
Penn State
Indiana
Iowa
Maryland
Out:
Michigan / MSU (Whitmer)
Illinois / NW (Pritzker)
Rutgers (Murphy & Holloway)
Wildcards:
Wisconsin (Evers)
Purdue
September 12th, 2020 at 7:03 PM ^
Whitmer allowed HS so no. UM and MSU won’t play because of their presidents.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^
Whitmer has no control over what colleges do. They're separate.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:09 PM ^
Why do some schools have their governors listed but others don't? Is that just to give us the names of politicians who don't have their heads up their asses?
Thanks.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:13 PM ^
If it becomes a straight partisan politics issue then they won't have the votes needed. If Evers has any University sway he's not giving his blessing.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:19 PM ^
What a completely unbiased and organic list. Also, Maryland said they were pretty much out as well, so you're math is even harder now.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
I was referring to the poster that listed all the schools with the Governor in Parenthesis. It helps if you follow along before making knee-jerk assumptions.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:39 PM ^
It's probably not a good idea, but it has become the consensus idea to play. If Michigan does not play and the B1G moves forward without them, or UM is responsible for the B1G not playing, it will set back our program significantly.
It's a terribly difficult situation to be in, especially considering the likelihood of getting in more than 5-6 games before Christmas is slim to none.
The virus is about to spike due to returns to school, work and opening of public venues (despite no real improvements in spread rates) and a general exhaustion amongst the public towards all preventative behaviors.
I would hate to be the one having to make this decision.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:20 PM ^
Are you familiar with the term Seppuku? That's what we'll be doing if we don't play and the B1G does.
We might as well drop to DIII and play Chicago, Case Western Reserve and Oberlin because we'd be self imposing a death penalty and I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA let our players leave and play immediately elsewhere.
September 13th, 2020 at 2:33 AM ^
I think Harbaugh will be watching this vote and if it is no or yes and Michigan does not play, then we are likely not to have football until 2021. I think Harbaugh will consider an NFL coaching gig very seriously. Harbaugh wants to coach football not take an entire year off. The PAC12 already said they will not play until the spring, which just won't happen.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
We need 9 right? I don’t think UM MSU Rutger or NW will vote yes. That means you need 9/10 others. Hopeful we get there, but there’s little room for error.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:00 PM ^
So they will return to play within 72 hours or vote within 72 hours? I'm good with a Monday night UM game.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:06 PM ^
Jake from state farm is ripped
September 12th, 2020 at 8:13 PM ^
I think a lot of people are assuming this is a vote to start in a couple of weeks but could well be the November-ish timeframe they've mentioned earlier.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:20 PM ^
Whatever, I'll take it.
September 12th, 2020 at 8:40 PM ^
Covid is controllable if people are disciplined. We can get in a season safely.
But only if people follow the guidelines.
September 12th, 2020 at 9:16 PM ^
Do you live in Canada or something?
Disciplined is one of the last words I would use to describe the American people.
September 12th, 2020 at 11:20 PM ^
Or Europe apparently. It is breaking out again over there.
September 12th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
Alvarez is on the scheduling committee and he said teams could be ready in 2 weeks. Although Wisconsin are on a two week break from practice so that means a month basically. i.e. Oct 10 or Oct 17.