OTish: More than half of UM students are now from out-of-state
I recently came upon this interesting MLive article talking about UM in-state/out-of-state enrollment percentages and tuition increases, and I thought there'd be some interest on the blog.
For the first time in at least 15 years, there are more out-of-state than in-state students on Michigan's campus across all programs (undergraduate and graduate). It's also quite interesting that there are more students from China at UM than any state in the US outside of Michigan. Worth the read.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:05 PM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 12:32 AM ^
Extremely underrated comment. This is so true
February 9th, 2015 at 1:38 AM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^
What does that have to do with North Campus?
February 8th, 2015 at 10:05 PM ^
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February 8th, 2015 at 10:09 PM ^
Sorry if I wasn't clear, there are more Chinese students that attend Michigan than out-of-state students at Michigan from any one state. California is the most highly represented state at UM besides Michigan, however there are more Chinese students than Californian students on campus.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:40 PM ^
It should be no surprise when you compare the populations.
Michigan - 9.9 million
California - 38.8 million
United States - 316.1 million
China - 1,357 million
There are 35X people in China compared to California and 4.3X people in China compared to the U.S.
February 8th, 2015 at 11:37 PM ^
Population is a factor, but your comparison is not fair because the average Chinese student is less likely to consider UM than a student in America, Michigan or California. I am currently attending the University of Waterloo and it is FILLED with international students. I am convinced it has a lot to do with $$$ than anything else. International students are cash cows for universities.
February 8th, 2015 at 11:41 PM ^
Many foreign states pay students to go to western universities.
February 9th, 2015 at 1:15 AM ^
Many of them come from affluent families. You regularly see Asian students in brand new luxury cars on campus. For some reason, they love white BMWs in particular lol.
By the way, I was randomly listening to brand new last month :)
February 9th, 2015 at 8:21 AM ^
I don't know if you've been on MSU's campus lately but the super wealthy Chinese and Korean students have a collection of Porsches, Audi's, F-150 Raptors and there are a few Lamborginis as well. One of them is covered in a chrome vinyl wrap. It's like that at UCLA as well but it's harder notice since there are many more of them to begin with.
The reason for that is cars like that are much more expensive in China so when they leave the US they can ship their car back to China. Once there it can be sold on what they call the "grey market" for at least what they paid for it here if not more so it's essentially a free car.
February 9th, 2015 at 8:34 AM ^
I can believe that. My Chinese friend always marvels about how cheap the cars are here in North America. The protectionism in China is unreal...
February 9th, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^
I don't believe that these Chinese students are all wealthy though (maybe like a third of them). I think most of it has to do with the fact that the Chinese only have one child and they value education so much that they would spend every dime that they have on having their kid attend a prestigous university.
In addition, Chinese parents will spend all their money on their one kid because their kid is going to take care of their parents during their old age. I.e., Chinese people don't have retirement accounts, IRA's, 401k's, pensions, etc. and they invest in their one kid to become successful so that they can take care of them. I read this in some economic journal a few years ago, but don't have the cite.
February 9th, 2015 at 8:38 AM ^
And Canada Goose jackets.
February 9th, 2015 at 8:51 AM ^
LOL, so ture!
February 9th, 2015 at 10:21 AM ^
Well Canada Goose is actually American-owned now... i.e., portfolio company of Bain Cap (i.e., Romney's old PE firm).
February 9th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^
I'll be sure to never buy one.
February 9th, 2015 at 9:04 AM ^
That's surprising to me (based on dated impressions from a few years back). I would have put a lot of money on a NY-NJ perfecta.
February 9th, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^
New York (5.0%) and New Jersey (2.6%) combined do send more students than California does (5.6%).
What really surprised me from the article was Ohio sending only 2.2%, half as much as Illinois. It seemed like we had a lot of Ohio people when I was there.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:09 PM ^
February 8th, 2015 at 10:10 PM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 7:55 AM ^
February 8th, 2015 at 10:10 PM ^
Try reading this again:
there are more students from China at UM than any state in the US outside of Michigan
February 8th, 2015 at 10:09 PM ^
Well we(out of stater) do pay more... in state kids are so lucky they get a college like UM at discounted price and lower admissions standards (don't know if this is true anymore since the Common App switch)
February 8th, 2015 at 11:02 PM ^
Discounted price yes, lower admission standards, no. Schools actually trend in lower admission standards (only slightly) towards non-resident students. Large universities especially, seek out to raise they're international and out-of-state enrollment. Cash flow!
February 8th, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^
Really b/c I'm pretty sure when I applied it was deff easier to get in through in state since the school actually catered towards the state population vs. out of state population (which is much higher obviously).
Not sure now.
February 8th, 2015 at 11:46 PM ^
...has varied historically. Myy dumb high school self probably only got in because the regents were under pressure from the legislature to justify State investment in UM by increasing the proportion of in-state students through lower admission standards. Similar thing happened before the final Grutter decision with transfer applicants.
February 9th, 2015 at 7:59 AM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 8:25 AM ^
As Lancer said above, the $$$ that out of state/country kids bring in are a big determining factor. If anything, it's getting harder for in-state kids to get in - though this is going to vary year by year, as others have pointed out, due to political concerns of the moment.
Several of the college counselors I have worked with over the years have told families openly that if you don't mind pushing the rules to the limit, then the best way to get into college is a) find a Native American in your family tree, using the Elizabeth Warren method if necessary, and b) rent an apartment in Wyoming and use that as your address because geographical diversity counts, and no one lives in Wyoming. Then if you're worried about tuition, establish residency in the state whose school you're attending after you get in. There are a bunch of services that now help you with this (for a fee, of course).
February 9th, 2015 at 8:33 AM ^
I was under the impression that if you had an OOS permanent residence within 6 months of application/matriculation, you were OOS for tuition purposes.
February 9th, 2015 at 10:35 AM ^
I'm pretty sure it varies by state. Again, I'm not a college counselor, but I write a lot of letters of recommendation, teach the SAT prep course, etc. with the guidance office, so I've talked to them a lot. Could be wrong, but this is what I remember hearing.
February 9th, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^
Wyoming address...while attending Beverly Hills High School. Sounds legit.
Recommending federal income tax fraud to get in-state tuition. Novel idea...that will result in an arrest, fines and prison: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional/police-accuse-man-of-faking…
February 9th, 2015 at 8:27 AM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
I applied in the late 1990's. When I went to the orientation for admitted students considering Michigan, the U of M admissions personnel said that they have the same standards for in-state and out-of-state students. This was strange to me, because the statistics provided by the University showed out-of-state students having an average ACT score of (if memory serves) 2 or 3 points higher, (I want to say 28 was the median in-state in 1997, and 31 was the median out-of-state), along with higher average GPA (can't recall those numbers). They also had a lower out-of-state acceptance rate at the time. Thus, I raised my hand and asked "so, if you accept a lower percentage of out-of-state students, and they have, on average, a higher ACT and GPA, how is it that the standards could be objectively called 'the same'?" They had no response, other than to hem and haw and deflect; the numbers were plain as day. Point being, at least back then, it was definitely more difficult to get in out-of-state. It's nearly 20 years later now, so I have no idea if it has changed.
February 9th, 2015 at 8:30 AM ^
February 9th, 2015 at 10:31 AM ^
in state kids are so lucky they get a college like UM at discounted price
In state kids families are so lucky they get to pay significant taxes to support the university - currently the state coughs up about $300 million a year to the university. In exchange for a lifetime of payments - they get a discount on tuition.
I'm sure the university would be glad to set up a recipropcal agreement where out of state students got cheaper tuition in exchange for the ability to tax all the residents of said state.
February 9th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^
It's not like the out-of-state families aren't paying similar taxes to their state university. My parents weren't exempt from paying taxes going to UW just because I went to Michigan. I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure Michigan families aren't paying a significantly different amount through taxes than Wisconsin, California, or Texas.
February 9th, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^
It's not like the out-of-state families aren't paying similar taxes to their state university.
...and it's not like the out-of-state families don't get a similar discount at their in-state university for paying said taxes.
Michigan residents pay taxes to Michigan universities and therefore get a deduction on tuition to Michigan universities.
Non-Michigan residents pay taxes to their home state universities and get a deduction on tuition to their home state universities.
February 9th, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^
They cough up just under $300 million a year to a University who's 2014 expenditures were around $6.9 billion in 2014. UM accepting the state's money is simply a hat tip to the state of Michigan so we can stay as a public institution. The school certainly doesn't need the state appropriations.
February 9th, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^
You're ignoring a lot of money that doesn't need to exist the university because they're a state institution...
For example - somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 million/year in property taxes to the city of Ann Arbor.
Another example - millions upon million in sales tax the university doesn't pay.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:07 PM ^
Considering the significant decrease in state appropriations over the last decade or more, it's probably not surprising.
I still think it sucks.
February 9th, 2015 at 1:58 AM ^
February 8th, 2015 at 10:07 PM ^
They want the extra money that they can charge out-of-staters and especially foreign students.
They are going to be changing the name soon to "The University of Anywhere But Michigan".
February 8th, 2015 at 10:08 PM ^
Always wondered when they would go the privatization route if that is possible at all for public universities.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:12 PM ^
When you look at the financials, the University of Michigan is not all that "public".
I forget the exact numbers, but the University only gets a small amount of its funding from the state. It's not like it even gets half its funding from the state.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:16 PM ^
UM's total expenditures in 2014 were $6.9 billion and the state contributes $295 million, which is about 4.3 percent. It's often sourced that UM's "General Fund" is about $1.85 billion, of which $295 million is around 16 percent, however that is only one of four funds that the University operates from.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:23 PM ^
Wow, it's even lower than I remember.
I wonder how many times the University Admin's feel like saying "F-you, state of Michigan, keep your measly 4.3 percent, get your nose out of our business, and we'll do what the hell we want."
February 8th, 2015 at 10:26 PM ^
I think they said that loud and clear when Snyder came for commencement after supposedly cutting more of the state budget for UM.
Don't know if that exactly is why people protested or I'm confusing it with something else.
February 8th, 2015 at 10:29 PM ^