OT: Which team will win more games this season - Colorado or Michigan State?
I hope they tie and win 2-3 games max this year.
This question has me more curious.
How many wins does Mel need to keep his job this year?
Assuming he loses to Michigan because that’s mostly all they care about.
I think he needs six and they would keep him around and really submarine the program.
That contract will keep him around for several more years regardless of result.
Unless Ishbia swoops in and buys him out.
I have to think he's going to be too busy with his NBA franchise to care much about MSU anymore, especially if Tuck continues to disappoint.
Good point but I'm sensing some schadenfreude with this OP.
I say we concentrate on Michigan and not worry about Mel and Sparty.
Let's not get cocky folks.
I'm sure some guy's internet message board post on April 30 is going to make or break our 2023 football season.
That’s great advice for the players. Doesn’t apply to us though. Fuck sparty!
April 30th, 2023 at 10:31 PM ^
Ishbia and the other guy only promised something like $24 million. MSU is on the hook for all the rest.
That's the point I think people keep missing when they talk about each school's rich benefactors (Ishbia for MSU, Ross for us, etc.). These guys are rich, but they're not bottomless money spigots. Their resources are vast but ultimately limited. And they generally didn't get those vast resources by throwing good money after bad. At a certain point, things can get bad enough that even a couple "angel boosters" can't save you, and I suspect that MSU, TAMU, and others (possibly Miami [YTM]) are going to test the limits of that theory in the next few years.
I would like to test that theory.
MSU AD loves letting the media continue to think Ishbia paid for this contract.
Normally yes especially with it guaranteed but how much does this cost MSU and how much does it just cost Ishbia? If they struggle this year 2-3 more years of Mel could be a disaster.
Raback that shit
April 30th, 2023 at 11:47 PM ^
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Hard to say but in looking at their schedule there are some very likely wins (CMU, Richmond, Rutgers, Indiana) and maybe 1-2 other potential wins so them getting to .500 doesn’t seem too unlikely. They rarely are as bad as we expect them to be.
I wouldn't bury Rutgers that easily (plus game is in Piscataway). If Thorne, Coleman, and Brantley all don't come back, I don't see how MSU would be favored.
Indiana won in East Lansing last fall. Their QB, who was starting his first game after two or three guys in front of him were injured, completed one pass in regulation. Extrapolate from that as you wish.
I'd have to go with Colorado. MSU 2023 is shaping up to be a dumpster fire.
You mean couch fire.....
You rang....
Burning couches proved they fell like little brother. If your reaction to beating Michigan is to start things on fire you have feelings of inferiority. Did we do such stupid stuff when we beat Ohio St the last 2 years? I was happy. It was great. I never felt like burning things.
I definitely felt the need to burn a fat victory spliff. Perhaps in East Lansing there would be a few less fires if they swiped out some liquor for some greenery. Theyre suppose to love green there anyway.
Colorado 100%. Coach Prime brings a lot of noise…but has backed it up thus far.
Well, just out of curiosity, I checked on 247 sports and found out that, to date, Colorado has 32 players transferring in this year.
OTOH, they also have -- wait for it -- 57 players transferring out in the portal.
Deion will be starting totally from scratch. Still may do better than MeLLLLLLL (who, next year, we may be calling MeLLLLLLLLL.)
If you transferred in and the transferred out do you count for both stats?
They might have a new record in that category.
nice way to put it Lake
Backed up what exactly? He’s done nothing at CU thus far except for hype up a spring game in which more players have transferred since that meaningless game, a few of whom might’ve been starters by the fall. Are you referring to his time at Jackson St. in which he left unceremoniously beating up the powerhouse teams in that conference?
I don’t wish to see Deion fail but saying he’s “backing it up” before he’s even coached a game and has had a gigantic number of transfers leave with little grace from Coach Prime is the definition of reaching…
You may not respect it, but turning around Jackson State is absolutely a big deal, and more of a track record than Mel had before becoming the MSU coach. He ran a program at a high level and gave them their first SWAC title in 15 years. And then won another. That's not nothing.
Are we looking at 9LMel?
MSU and it's not close. Mostly because how bad Colorado is going to be and how hard their schedule is.
Colorado will be lucky to win 2 games. Their most winnable game is Colorado State. They have a brutal schedule.
MSU will probably win 3 or 4 (Richmond, Central, Rutgers, Indiana). They'll be a dumpster fire, but not on the level of Colorado
Schiano has Rutgers trending towards mediocrity. well coached, not very talented.
Mellllll has MSU trending towards dumpster fire. Poorly coached, undisciplined, mediocre talent that just lost their 3 best offensive players…Coleman, Reed, Thorne.
I’d guess Rutgers would be favored going into the matchup, specifically with the last 2 portal losses.
Michigan has bigger fish to fry than these two guppies. They will both stink.
Agreed, both will stink like buffalo chips.
Michigan
University of Prime
This made me think of steak.
Then again, most things do.
Msu with 4
Mel has proven to be a better coach than Prime thus far, but that’s not saying much.
How so?
Hasn't Deion coached at one place and done really well? Isn't that why he's now at CU?
Uh… based on WHAT exactly? Mel has 1 winning season in his career. Hell, Mel had more losses last season than Deion has in his coaching CAREER.
State will win more games, say five to CU's one-three. Mel will be on the hot seat, and Coach Sanders will be looking forward to 24-25. He might fail, too, but Tucker is objectively doing that now.
Jackson St was 12-1 last year.
What were they before Coach Prime?
Getting Jackson State to 12-1, with more talent than anyone they played, is fool’s gold. I’d take a winning season in the B10 over that. There’s no evidence to think Prime is a strong schematic coach and I suspect it’ll be back to a school like Jackson St. for him in a few years. It’s a desperate move for CU that will go terribly.
As a Colorado native, I’m looking forward to seeing that program implode even further. This hope should be short lived.
Idk, the fools gold might be lucking into a Heisman caliber transfer and carrying you to an 11 win season. Your only winning season in your career. 12-19 record outside of that season. But hey, at least he parlayed it into a mega-contract.
Mel has proven to be a better coach than Prime thus far,
How so? Sanders is 27-6. Tucker is 23-21.
Give it a couple years. Sanders may be stuck on 27-30 for a while.
You’re still not explaining how “Mel has proven to be a better coach.” Sounds more like you just don’t like Deion for whatever reason.
I'm sure Colorado will struggle this year, but he seems to be a good enough recruiter to get them to .500 at some point. I don't see any reason to believe he'll be terrible forever.