OT: Sweden 'literally gained nothing' from staying open during COVID-19, including 'no economic gains'
* Sweden's central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, which is as bad or worse than its Nordic neighbors.
* They have a per-capita death rate 40% worse than the US, and 700%-1200% worse than Norway and Finland.
* While other economies around them are opening up, Sweden now has the strictist restrictions on movement of these 3 countries.
8.0.1I clearly said that you desire to hold supremacy over others, but you can't based on race or gender or background, because you'd rightly get killed in America doing that today. So you create a false picture of your political opponent and their arguments (just at conservatives do), in order to point and laugh at them and feel superior to them. Because you want to be a bigot and this is the only way you know how. This is what primarily what fuels the energy and zeal for both political parties - simple tribalism.
Your comment here proves my point exactly. Pay no attention to your upvotes in this echo chamber. There are a lot of people, on both sides, who don't like having this mirror held up to their faces. But relax, you can change, and your identify here is anonymous.
Every time. It's always liberals who attack someone who rails against the stupidity of political parties. Conservatives don't care.
Are Sweden, Norway, and Finland THAT similar? I get they are all in that same region, and as an American I think of them all being the same...
Just wondering if there's someone that's more familiar with them that knows if one has more large cities, higher/lower population density, etc. Is it really comparing apples to apples?
It's still much too early to tell anything about Sweden. Same with Brazil, which still hasn't imploded despite the media praying fervently for it to do so.
I read somewhere else a couple months ago they admitted to not protecting the elderly as they should have early on, and believe that caused a lot of unnecessary deaths.
And I'll wait to read something not from "The Week", that rag is awful.
The original article was from NY Times.
I agree about the source I posted, perhaps I should have posted something else. I did it because this article was basically a summary of the 5 or so articles that it cited. Nothing written in this article made any claims that weren't sourced by links in the article itself. Read those sources if you need something a little more credible.
8.0.1That's fine. I'm sure I'll see it from another source then sooner or later. I read a lot.
Thank you.
I still maintain the jury needs quite some time for deliberations on Sweden and Brazil, however our society isn't exactly wired for patience on reaching verdicts.
Given that Brazil specializes in hiding shit from its own people as well as the outside, I'm not sure we'd even know if implosion was imminent.
Their website for data is very easy to follow, and anecdotal evidence from city hospitals backs the data. They are holding steady for the last 5 weeks, despite projections of imminent implosion.
But go ahead, keep that torch lit.
You can't post articles here without additional sources backing it up.
The lefties are going to destroy you like they did the Henry Ford Hospital post about Hydroxychloroquine.
No way they stand for this topic without additional backup. Just watch.
I don't think 4 is enough for them either, but post a few more and you should be able to avoid the wrath.
Go away, troll.
8.0.1Not a troll, just have a differing view than you.
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Do you seriously think you're fooling anyone? Like, what's the thought process here? Literally no one believes this not-pology.
Please drink bleach NOW...
For your health of course
That's a horrible idea. No one should listen to that.
What are your thoughts on rectal light bulb therapy? A lot of people are saying that is really promising.
Name checks out
What the fuck is the infatuation some people have with Hydroxychloroquine and it's fantastical ability to cure people of Covid-19?! I mean, I know the answer but cripes. Sure it has worked for some...that is great. But what is so hard to see that these cases were not done in any scientific manner and it's impossible to know what truly helped these people? It has MANY TIMES been documented that it has NOT helped, also.
Blind loyalism is quite unhealthy.
Sorry, I was only using that example of a thread that got destroyed for not having enough sources. I don't think it had anything to do with it fitting (or not fitting) a particular narrative. I think it was only due to lack of sources.
I have no idea if hydroxy works or not.
Interesting article
You left out that the average age of death was 81. They allowed Covid patients treatment and isolation in nursing homes, just like Michigan and New York. They have the lowest icu beds in Europe and their icu units were never overran or came close to full occupancy. Sweden also has a population around 10 million with only suffering 5500 deaths.
Sweden also has a population around 10 million with only suffering 5500 deaths.
Yea, that is mentioned in the article and my synopsis at the top. I mentioned this in saying, "They have a per-capita death rate 40% worse than the US, and 700%-1200% worse than Norway and Finland."
So, pretty fucking awful.
8.0.1Michigan has a population of just over 10 million. There have been just over 6000 deaths attributed to Covid-19.
My point was Michigan went into a statewide lockdown and Sweden did absolutely nothing. So how effective was the lockdown?
My point was Michigan went into a statewide lockdown and Sweden did absolutely nothing. So how effective was the lockdown?
My point was Michigan went into a statewide lockdown and Sweden did absolutely nothing. So how effective was the lockdown?
You left out that the average age of death was 81. They allowed Covid patients treatment and isolation in nursing homes, just like Michigan and New York. They have the lowest icu beds in Europe and their icu units were never overran or came close to full occupancy. Sweden also has a population around 10 million with only suffering 5500 deaths.
Ha, ha yeah.
Everyone knows old people are worthless and the deaths don’t really count.
What do we even know about immunity at this point?
just in the last week I’ve seen two vastly different articles sampling the scientific space trying to comprehend and explain seemingly contradictory observations from different countries. I think one of the discrepancies has to do with the role of memory T cells and the interpretation of mass antibody testing.
WSJ: Herd immunity may be closer than you think
BBC: Coronavirus: Spanish study casts doubt on herd immunity feasibility
Either way, hopefully a reasonably effective vaccine comes through, but I feel like the short life of antibodies is concerning (is it?) to those prospects as well.
The US just reached 3 million reported cases.
0 to 1 million cases: 98 days
1 to 2 million cases: 43 days
2 to 3 million cases: 28 days
I sense a trend.
That trend being that tests given has increased by a shit ton?
That's a large part of it, but in the hot areas (Texas, Arizona, Florida, California, Louisiana, and South Carolina) new cases have increased at a much faster rate than new tests.
Both can be true you two.
Edit: Nevermind, I see Chunkums acknowledged that already.
The ultimate irony? The current covid hotspots are also dreadfully hot this time of year. And covid, according to some, was supposed to magically disappear when warmer summer temperatures arrived.
I haven't seen it acknowledged in a study yet, but I read some Harvard(?) doctor's blog post about this (I can't remember where). One potential reason is that we're reaching the time of year where it's too hot for people in those places to stay outdoors for too long, which pushes people into air-conditioned buildings. It's the same type of effect we get in the winter in Michigan. Again, I'm not trying to state this as a definitive reason. Just throwing it out there. My understanding is that we do indeed have scientific evidence that heat and sunlight will kill the virus on surfaces.
You're not far off, but that's kind of not the point. Yes, heat and UV light kill viruses more quickly, but the idea that we just need it to get hot and we'll be fine is what people make fun of. That's such a simplified approach to a massive problem that you have to wonder, when people legitimate say "heat and sunlight means no more pandemic" if people are that stupid or that big of assholes.
Life is not lived solely outside in 90 degree weather and direct sunlight. Everyone knows and understands that. So just hand waiving it away as something that will naturally sort itself out is what deserves open criticism.
I make no claim that the summer is some kind of cure and I agree with everything you've said. It is factually true that it doesn't spread as well outdoors in the heat or sunlight. That doesn't mean it's over. It still spreads plenty. There's a good chance it will be much worse in the fall/winter when flu season starts.
And every positive test counts as a case. If I test positive 5 times, that is 5 new cases. In many places, if you have any of the symptoms, you are a probable positive case even without any test given.
why any of us puts any stock into the numbers at this point, is a mystery to me.
Not sure if serious.
GTF outta here with your math and statistics.
Awesome.. Another Covid 19 thread.
Yet here you are
I'm constantly amazed that people who don't like COVID threads click on them to waste time whining about how they don't like COVID threads.
It's like driving by a TCBY and stopping in to scream at the employees about how you don't like frozen yogurt.
8.0.1It's mind-boggling that the people who run MGoBlog didn't take the simple, expedient step of creating a separate section with its own link up in the horizontal navigation for all COVID-19 related content. I mean, one of the advantages of digital communications is the ease with which you can modify the structure of online content. Why not take advantage of that flexibility?
A separate dedicated COVID-19 section combined with ruthless pruning of all COVID content from the main board would satisfy both those who are tired of virus threads and those who want to discuss/debate/berate the issue.
Or as was just pointed out, don’t click on the covid thread.
Yeah, I mean it’s not like it’s been the defining event of the 21st century and has impacted practically every aspect of our society.
If this board had been around from 1941-1945 these oblivious assholes probably would have been dwelling on the events of WWII a lot instead of focusing exclusively on how Fritz and the boys were going to do in the fall.
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