OT: Scumbag Favre steals 1.7 million from poor families in Mississippi
So here is more to the story of Brett scumbag Favre and him stealing money from poor families in Mississippi.
https://mississippitoday.org/2022/04/04/phil-bryant-brett-favre-welfare-scandal-payout/
[Edited in as a clickable alternative to the barstool link. Tip of the hat to MGoUser 'mackbru' for being the first to post this link downthread.
I also edited the OP's title in response to the OP's first reply -rob f]
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3412541/the-brett-favre-welfare-sca…
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?
Oh, and fuck Brett Farvra!
"That's nothing." Always a nice way to take the air out of someone's tires--congratulations.
Then cites other ways that money has been stolen in the history of the world!
Nope, I don't believe that money has ever been stolen before, except in the instance that you cite. Which does indeed mean that what Brett Favre did was okay, or not important.
Or something.
Almost $100 billion tho
whataboutism: the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
We know that $100 billion being stolen is 1. bad 2. more than what the op posted about. This is a very common tactic used today to derail any real discussion about important topics. It's counterproductive to get into a dick measuring contest by changing the subject because something terrible just popped into your brain and you just couldn't resist blurting it out. Or, worse, you could be doing it on purpose. Start a new discussion, don't detract from the ongoing focus.
By this logic, if things exist on a spectrum, than we should only talk about the most extreme of each end? Yeah, this is a rant, but I'm very frustrated by how people seem to talk about anything these days, and maybe you didn't know, maybe you did, but I for one don't enjoy this level of discourse. You have 100 points, use them by starting your own thread.
I'm aware of the irony that this derails discussion possibly even more. Send me to internet jail.
Leaving aside the temper tantrum, my point was to show that what Favre did has been commonplace. Acknowledging that isn’t deflecting.
The term “Whataboutism” is a term deployed by the lazy/hypocritical/unserious to try to deflect from exploring the complex reality we live in rather than the ideological narrow prism they wish us to see the world in.
The term “Whataboutism” is a term deployed by the lazy/hypocritical/unserious to try to deflect from exploring the complex reality we live in rather than the ideological narrow prism they wish us to see the world in.
So I agree with this to an extent.
On the one hand, I often find those claiming “Whataboutism” are either (a) unable to adequately respond to the "what about..." issue that is being raised, or (b) unwilling to accept the hypocrisy that it brings to light (or both).
On the other hand, I don't believe that "what about ..." is a valid argument and is itself steeped in hypocrisy.
But you weren't making a 'what about' argument anyway, so none of this is relevant...
I never said that it wasn’t. You are hyperventilating over me referencing the fact that this is a much wider issue. People scammed the government out of billions for funds intended for people in dire need of it. That doesn’t exculpate Favre at all. It’s pointing out that he is part of a large club of shitheads.
Your point has nothing to do with the OP or what anyone has discussed. It's just a random comment.
Imagine this: You're walking down the street one day, and a criminal smacks you over the head with a baseball bat and steals your wallet and phone. You walk home in a daze, walk through the front door, and your significant other is standing there. You say, "you're not going to believe what happened to me today!". You proceed to tell the story of this shitty criminal that just knocked you out and robbed you. In the meantime your neighbor made his way to your front door. He saw you stumbling down the sidewalk. He's listening to the whole story about what happened. He leans in and says, "yeah, well you won't believe this, about 1500 civilians have died in the Ukraine in the past couple of months from military fire". You're going to look at the neighbor and be like, "Ned, what the hell does that have to do with me being unconscious an hour ago?"
Damn that Ned Flanders!
Is this where we're supposed to put the link for the article about BLM buying a $6mm house in Cali?
There's scumbags everywhere. From every walk of life and from every political party.
I wish greed and pride weren't such consistent motivators for humanity, but history shows us the truth.
That’s nothing, do you know how many people are being killed in the Ukraine? Of course, that’s got jack shit to do with the topic under discussion, but I figured that’s the game we’re playing now.
do you know how many people are being killed in the Ukraine?
Fewer than in Yemen. Just sayin…
You're not supposed to say that!!!
Yemen has been going on for a lot longer too (7 years), and the UN attributes 60% of the deaths to indirect causes such as starvation. It's too soon to see that kind of stuff in Ukraine, nor do we have an accounting of the deaths in occupied territories.
It could go on a lot longer than most of us Americans think too. Ask Hitler, Napoleon and Charles XII how stubborn the Russians/Ukrainians can be.
I don't want to turn this into a 'this war is worse than this one' situation because both cases are absolute tragedies.
That said, there are an estimated (probably underestimated) 150,000 deaths directly associated to fighting in Yemen. Averaging that out over 7 years gives nearly 1,800 deaths per month. But as you said, an even greater number of deaths (more than 225,000) are a result of indirect causes like starvation and disease. That is, more than 2,700 deaths/month. Who is bearing the brunt of this fighting? Civilians and children. According to the UN Development Program, one child under the age of 5 dies every nine minutes as a result of the war. Of course, Saudi bombing of water facilities, hospitals, schools doesn't really help very much.
My point is this:
There is an unspeakable tragedy that is occurring in Ukraine, which we see on the news every day. We are aware of reports of war crimes and are saddened, shocked, and outraged by these events. My Uber app allows me to make direct contributions to Ukrainian relief...
Yet there is another unspeakable tragedy going on in Yemen. One with the direct participation of one of our 'friends'. One in which war crimes are also being committed on an equal scale, including by our 'friend' with weapons purchased from our government. Unfortunately, this elicits less shock and outrage. Uber does not request donations for Yemeni relief...
I guess we pick and choose which tragedies are more tragic.
Of course we pick and choose. We pick those who have the greatest impact on US, and the US. Yemen just doesn't matter to anyone except the Yemenis and the Shia-Sunni blocs fighting their proxy war there.
All wars are tragic and all wars affect the civilians more than anyone else. This isn't any different than any other time in human history.
But that's my point. Let me explain differently.
Picking and choosing is fine when it comes to how the US government should respond to a situation. We have interests in some parts of the world but not others. The job of the government is to choose (a) what are these interests, and (b) how should they be defended. No problems here.
But the problem is when I see people picking and choosing the situations to express their moral outrage. We are outraged over the loss of civilian lives, war crimes, etc. in Situation A and do everything we can to help the people of that country. Situation B, on the other hand, not so much... What determines how we pick and choose? If the greater US interests/impact on the US are the determining factor, then this is not a moral position at all. But don't tell that to the morally outraged.
Selective morality is not morality.
Who's we? Not me. I don't care about either war except where some dipshits want to suggest we do things that might get the Russians in a nuking mood.
If you want to pick on someone to blame, try the press and those people who've outsourced their critical thinking skills to them. Ukraine-Russia is a convenient war for the media. They don't even have to leave their cozy Covid-proof New York apartments to report on it. They just repost the people who have to live this shit's twitter feed plus whichever side's propaganda they choose to believe. (Except those very few who have gone to Ukraine, some of whom paid the ultimate price).
Who's we? Not me. I don't care about either war
Well, you're the one who felt the need to respond in the first place and then continued to respond.
If you want to pick on someone to blame
Not trying to blame anyone, just pointing to the hypocrisy of the selective moral outrage that I can't fucking stand. That was the admittedly too subtle point of my original comment that you seemed to be questioning.
It wasn't subtle. You were trying to be the cool bohemian showing you care more about people than just the eurocentric/western war on TV.
Deep, man.
Actually, I wasn't talking about how much I care at all. That's some pretty solid projection on your part. I study this shit for a living and, unfortunately, I've simply come to accept that shitty things happen in war. Wash, rinse, repeat. (In fact, I have a brother in the service and, if I have any concern at all, it is that the 'moral outrage' expressed by the public and our government is going to lock us into a war that has no bearing on US interests. But go ahead and continue to assume that I'm just trying to be cool.)
My point was that it is curious that people are suddenly so concerned about human suffering when, unfortunately, suffering is occurring on a higher scale in other countries. You jumped in with your insightful comment that Yemen has been going on for 7 years. That was so fucking deep (deep, man) that I still don't know what point you were making. And throwing in the rudimentary historical knowledge about the difficulty of fighting Russia/Ukraine really wowed me.
I get that you don't understand nuance, logical arguments, details of foreign policy or international politics, etc. and that's fine. Your complete lack of knowledge about what constitutes a coup d'etat in an earlier comment upthread is proof positive of this. As does your complete lack of understanding that we are directly involved in the Sunni-Shia proxy wars (which, according to you, no one cares about). But your resort to ad hominem slights (I'm trying to be the 'cool bohemian') just shows that you have nothing to add to the conversation and that I was wrong to take you seriously.
And I'm neither cool nor bohemian, but I am pretty sure that you're a dick.
Look, you tried to make the comparison to Yemen in the first place, not me. To me that's like saying Oranges aren't as red as Apples. Correct, but so what?
I've given you several reasons why I think the average person cares about Ukraine and not Yemen. You have decided that's not good enough, or not nuanced enough. Fine, but those are the most likely reasons.
If I'm jumping to the conclusion that you are just trying to act like you care more "because Yemen", when you really wanted someone else's opinion, then that's on me. Apologies for being a dick. I was. But I don't think I'm wrong.
So let's go our separate ways and agree that both wars and wars in general suck ass, especially for civilians.
FFS
Is there any post which cannot be turned into a COVID topic.
You cannot find other avenues on the interwebs to discuss such things?
More good news on the humanity front. The world us just full of swell folks. So hard to keep track of all the good morality anymore.
Fuck you, Brett. Wrangler wearin' wackjob.
Deleted because making fun of Brett Favre starts to feel cruel when he's such an obvious mark.
Nothing about the combination of “fledgling pharmaceutical company” and “Mississippi” give me any confidence in a groundbreaking result ……. And I live in Arkansas
NFL version of Denny McClain ?
Dennis Dale won 31 games and played organ brilliantly during the seventh inning stretch. And he was a pretty good match with Eli on TV back in his comeback. And he stole a bunch of money from a retirement fund and many people got hurt. And he cheated on his wife but got back together with her after she forgave him. And his books are a good read. Everyone has a checkered past. Some more than others, but when you meet a true saint, please post the story in a diary so we can all meet said person. If I could hang out with someone for an hour at a bar, Denny McClain would definitely make my short list of entertaining persons.
So you’re saying not everyone is the perfect person in the world?
Everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you? Steals from me?
Should we just give Brett Favre a chance?
No, I'm saying everyone is flawed and there is no reason to drag a former Tiger through the mud for no apparent reason.
Edit: No reason to drag him through the mud yet again. Let it go.
As a kid, I idolized Denny and that entire era of Detroit Tigers. And I was dismayed and disappointed when Denny was suspended half a season and subsequently traded away by Detroit management. Years later, I enjoyed listening to McLain on sports talk radio, he's always been good at opinions and story-telling. But maybe that's why and how he got away with so much shit, even if it caught up with him later.
But there's no reason to "let it go". McLain screwed over a lot of good hard-working folks who got robbed by him of their well-deserved pensions. I know folks in the Chesaning/Clio/Saginaw area who undeservingly suffered because of McLain's greed.
I also had a friend "Floyd" (he passed away a couple years ago, RIP) who was well-acquainted with Denny in the late 60's thru the music industry---he detested McLain because he quickly realized what a scumbag of a person McLain was.
Upvoted this. As an avid Tigers fan I always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. Probably too much so. Like most of us here are probably doing with Bo's complicated legacy.
Thank you for the details.
Do you have any idea if McLain has expressed any contrition in his later years?
I believe he has expressed 'contrition' over the years on some of his antics, except in cases where there are/were legal ramifications to doing so. As for his sincerity, that's probably another issue---he seems to have a pattern of saying the right thing followed by again doing the wrong thing/making dumb decisions.
"Nobody's Perfect" was the first autobiography I ever read. I was a kid and bought into his story. I always hoped he would somehow find his way. Maybe some of us never do.
Thanks again.
April 10th, 2022 at 12:47 AM ^
Denny is a piece of shit.
Lol, the hate for Barstool here is utterly ridiculous. So is the hate for Rogers. He didn't conform to garbage liberal ideology and in doing so triggered a bunch of clownery. There is a real political bias here on the blog. Not real surprising though. Anywho LGBFJB
Wow, dude. You've gone full-blown assclown in this post.
Yes, there is a political bias in this blog. Accept it. Now put your drink down and go to bed.
Apparently, you think "garbage liberal ideology" is telling the truth and not lying to your teammates. Good to know. Please go back to your Qanon blog or TruthApp.
Nothing quite says you're above "garbage liberal ideology" and not afraid to "trigger" a bunch of people by not even displaying the willingness to write out "Let's Go Brandon Fuck Joe Biden", deploying the extremely creative LGBFJB acronym. You know, like all strong, tough guys do.
Anyway, by all means defend the guy who helped scam $1.7M from a state's welfare program because he was once pretty good at playing football.
(genuine) thanks for explaining that acronym. I was pretty sure that the poster was not referring to "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Furries, John Beilein" (note: the entire category is a protected class in only limited jurisdictions) but wasn't sure what it could be.
Sadly, I've seen that particular acronym written out enough times that I know it's meaning. Shockingly, a lot of people who talk about how they hate "cancel culture" and want to be real and genuine lack either the intestinal fortitude or have just a really distorted view of "civility" that they won't actually say what they want to say because, I don't know, writing "fuck" is a bridge too far.
But yeah, any law created specifically to limit the rights of John Beilein falls under the strictest of scrutiny in my book.
Bronxblue,
thank you for the clarification. I just assumed it was WhatsApp secret code for, “where we go one we go all”
You must be confused, this isn't Stormfront.
Go back to the illiterate meth-soaked shithole you came from and leave the posting to people without single-digit IQ's and Klan robes hung in their closets.
You must be confused, this isn't Stormfront.
Go back to the illiterate meth-soaked shithole you came from and leave the posting to people without single-digit IQ's and Klan robes hung in their closets.
And people wonder why this country is divided right now.
Probably because there was an attempted coup by the people that violently hate "garbage liberal ideology" a couple years ago. The party of treason doesn't deserve anyone's respect.
Please leave your politics out of this board.
Nobody wonders. Everybody knows who divided it.
Right, the problem is people calling out the anti-science, anti-black, anti-democracy crowd and not that crowd. Right.