OT - Quinn Traded
Didn't see this posted anywhere but thought you guys would like to know. Looks like Brady Quinn has been traded to the Broncos
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/03/14/quinn.trade.br…
Awww, I don't get to mock my Cleveland family for that pick anymore.
Until they take Clausen in April, anyway.
Gotta believe the Walrus too smart to pick Jimmah!, unless he happens to be available for Cleveland's second round pick.
It's pretty bad that the BROWNS are too good for Quinn, a 1st round draft pick, and traded him for a fullback.
Also, he was made expendable by the acquisition of the heralded Jake Delhomme, who's old and injured all the time.
it was the acquistion of Seneca Wallace, who Holmgram has a comfort level with, from the Seahawks that made Quinn expandable. Throw in the fact that Mangini brought in someone last year from the Jets and Delhomme and you have to many QBs.
I believe the order of things was...
1. acquisition of Seneca Wallace
2. release of Derek Anderson
3. signing of Jake Delhomme
4. trade of Brady Quinn to Broncos
I don't think the Browns would have traded Quinn without getting another QB (Delhomme).
I admit that I don't know his stats, but I have never seen him play where he completed more than 50% of his passes and he never once impressed me. Either his stats are better than I recall, or Holmgren sees something in him that I don't.
ND hiring Charlie Weis made Brady Quinn "expandable."
March 14th, 2010 at 11:03 PM ^
Expandable!? Like one of those things you put in water and they grow?
This is going to be awesome! I wonder what the over/under will be for interceptions this season now that Delhomme is in the AFC North. That guy has become a pick MACHINE.
I find it interesting that baseball trades so often feature two or three teams trying to get better, and football trades so often feature one team giving practically nothing to get another's fairly unwanted commodity. The above trade looks that way (you couldn't spare a fifth round pick on a fullback, and keep a qb you've been "developing"?), and the Lions pickup of former Terrapin Shaun Hill from the Niners for a seventh round pick seems similar.
Now, I know plenty of 7th rounders pan out (and the Lions' 7th rounder is practically a 6th rounder), but when you get traded for a 7th round choice you're essentially being cut, right?
He's a really good looking guy.
/dreamy
there were rumors last year the Broncos would have traded
Cutler for Quinn and Shaun Rodgers.
Now they get Quinn for nothing, which is really what he is worth.
He's lucky Jamarcus was in the same draft class as him, that way he is not the biggest bust.
I've read a couple of other places that this series of events (giving up two starters for a career backup and an over-the-hill starter) was planned by Holmgren as a means to replace Mangini (either with his own guy or even himself). It was highly unlikely that the Browns would have been competitive with either Anderson or Quinn this year, and breaking in two new QBs with pretty poor track records isn't going to make that success any easier to come by. Expect Mangini to be canned either late in the season or next offseason, followed by Holmgren/his coach taking over.
There may be some truth to it, but there's people who actively campaign against Mangini (see Michael Lombardi) in a way that makes it look like the Freep loves Rich Rodriguez.
Anderson and Quinn weren't accurate and were worse than 32 other QB's in the NFL, according to Football Outsiders. Not saying that Delhomme is an upgrade (unless he channels Kurt Warner), but Holmgren doesn't need an excuse to fire Mangini.
We'll see if Mangini can coach; my guess is Holmgren will learn to like what he's doing and decide he doesn't want to coach anymore.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM ^
I agree that Mangini probably has some enemies in the media, but I was here in NY during his last year with the Jets and he was portrayed as a guy who really wore on his players after a while. That might be sour grapes, but you got a sense that he just wasn't a "players' coach", and if you also can't go better than .500, you won't stick around.
I think with respect to Mangini in Cleveland, Holmgren is not crazy about him and probably figures he'll give him a veteran QB and see what happens. If the team shows some improvement, he might get another year. If not, Holmgren can cut him loose and move on. He might not need an excuse to do this, but firing Mangini after one year would also be a signal to fans that another rebuilding season is coming up, and fans in Cleveland may not pony up to watch that again.
As for Quinn and Anderson, I always thought Quinn was pretty accurate in college. I mean, his last two years at ND he completed about 62% of his passes for a 69/14 ratio. That might not be Tebow numbers, but surely better than a mere mortal. Cleveland basically had Winslow and Edwards, then removed them from the equation around the same time Quinn finally started to make some inroads. I'm not saying that Quinn is going to be a success in the pros, but I do think it is premature to cast him off based on a couple of years with below-average WRs and a pretty crappy team.
Also dealing another former 1st round pick, Kamerion Wimbley, for a 3rd round pick. Wimbley was Phil Savage's first 1st round pick, and he traded down a spot so Baltimore could grab Haloti Ngata (who would, I venture, get more than a 3rd rounder). And now Quinn is gone. Don't think Holmgren was a big fan of Savage's selections (except for Joe Thomas).
Of course, accuracy is only one measure of a QB. BQ led the league in GNC product placement.
Tim Couch , Mike Green , Gerard Warren , Courtney Brown , Brady Quinn . Being a fan of the new Browns is worse than being a Lions fan . The old Browns were cool . Brian Sipe , Ozzie Newsome , Reggie Rucker , Thom Darden , Bernie Kosar . Watching new Browns is like watching M hoops on a ten minute scoring drought . Very painful .
Greg Pruit to the list. He was pretty good RB back in the day for the browns -- hey, the lions always sucked; their coach was Monte Clark back then.....
March 14th, 2010 at 10:52 PM ^
Greg and Mike Pruitt . Dixon , Minniefield , Matthews , Mack , Byner , Logan , Brennan , Alexander , Slaughter ,Rogers . The old Browns were cool .
March 14th, 2010 at 11:11 PM ^
You forgot the motorcycle riding soldier Kellen Winslow.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:22 PM ^
Think Millen is a great drafter .
Since they aquired Delhomme and traded Quinn, in trying to make sense of the move is that they intend to draft a first round QB to learn the system while they squeeze one or two workmanlike years out of Delhomme.
I realize that this is not a reflection of Michigan class and character...
but I love seeing Brady Quinn (or, anyone from ND) fail.
The only Notre Damers I've liked were Joe Montana, Jerome Bettis, and Tim Brown.
Oh, and Tom Zbikowski because I heard somewhere that he's a boxer.
Never got over neck injury caused by the chunk of turf S. Crable left on his head . Classic pic .
Ouch, Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn....
Has not recovered from this:
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