OT- Pistons open to trading Drummond, KCP
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18743594/detroit-pistons-open-trade-…
Pretty self explainatory title. Personally, I would be open to trading either if the right offer came up. I really like Drummond but he's not showing a ton of progress this season, and looks like he may top out as a Tyson Chandler type player. Blowing up the team would definitely suck, but I'm a believer that it's better to tank and play young players rather than just sticking around the 8 seed. Glad the front office is at least entertaining offers.
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:41 PM ^
the Celtics trading a Nets pick for him if they get desperate and strike out on PG/Butler/Blake Griffin. But unless it's for a Nets pick or McCollum, I agree.
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:25 PM ^
Id take somthing like marcus smart and jaylen brown for drummond all day. I would also then jump on that reported KCP for Jahlil Okafor deal. Get rid of Jackson and tank back into the top ten of this draft if possible.
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
No thank you to Okafor. No defense, no rebounding. Only does one thing good, post up, and he's not even that great at that.
February 23rd, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
As a 76ers fan, I can confirm. We want to get rid of him.
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 7:38 AM ^
Yep, they'd be giving up too much to get whoever is on the table and that player isn't necessarily going to put the C's over the top. There's no player out there that's going to put them on a level playing field with the Warriors and Cavaliers. It's not worth it to trade those assets to have a better chance against the Cavs but not even a 50-50 chance. Longtime Celtics pbp announcer, Mike Gorman, said yesterday that he gives it a 60% chance that they don't make a move.
I really hope the Celtics get that #1 pick.
February 23rd, 2017 at 7:39 AM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^
SVG has said on countless occasions with numerous teams that "everyone in the league is available for the right price." However, it seems like nobody ever makes bona fide offers to the Pistons for anyone. They make lowball offers expecting the Pistons to jump on them because Detroit is such a difficult place to get free agents to sign.
I don't think anything involving the Pistons is going to get done. If it is, it will be something minor.
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:39 PM ^
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^
I am more inclined to keep Drummond but it would take a very good offer for me to consider trading him away. Guy like Drummond who is basically a walking 20-10 and still has potential to be better.
KCP has emerged as one of the better SG in the league. His defense has been solid but his shooitng has improved to the point where he's a legit 3 and D SG which is rare. He still needs work on driving game because he has a tendency to go full speed or stop with nothing in between. If he can develop it a bit more, he's a valuable commodity.
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:48 PM ^
i dont even follow the nba much but i still know KCP is not 1 of the better SGs in the league. stick with saying hes improving or hes a decent 3 and D option...not one of the better SGs in the league
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^
there's a lot of scarcity in quality SGs in the league. You have Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, DeMar DeRozan, CJ McCollum, Devin Booker. I don't consider James Harden a SG since he's a PG for the Rockets. After that, you can make a serious case for KCP after top 5 because it's a very weak position. Based on that definition, yes, he's one of the better SG in the league.
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^
Shocking that someone who prefaces their NBA opinion with the fact that they don't follow the NBA is wrong.
SG isn't exactly a stacked position in the NBA these days. KCP is most certainly one of the better 2 guards in the league. He is already an excellent, not decent, 3 and D option who is well above average as a passer for a 3 and D guy. He is also 23.
Id be pretty disappointed if KCP got moved. But please let Jackson be gone.
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:43 PM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:58 AM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 1:18 AM ^
SVG/Bower have won virtually every trade they've been a part of. http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/bowerje99x.html
They're getting value where value can be had.
It's how they consolidate that talent that matters, if they sell high when they can, if they can buy low when they can.
For that reason, I'll be upset if they don't move Reggie Jackson (his value may only decrease from here), very upset if they move Drummond for less than two long-term starters and a first, and livid if they move KCP in a package that doesn't return a swingman who is top 5-10 at his position (Jimmy Butler, Danny Granger).
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:51 PM ^
We'd have to eat a bad contract to make the trade work. I would like to keep KCP, but I don't think he's worth a max contract this summer. I still think Jackson is the one to go. A PG that can't shoot is a pain to watch. I see why OKC was glad to get rid of him.
February 22nd, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^
Drummond won't be that expensive for a team to pick up. And if taking a bad contract means getting a very promising pick or young player, I'm game.
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^
the SG market KCP will command a lot of money since he's better than a lot of SG getting 15 million per year.
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:11 PM ^
But ship them both out, Drummond is a walking 20-10 but in his 5th season in the league he still acts like an immature kid and doesn't go 100 percent often enough. "KC-give me twenty mil this summer P" probably won't fetch a lot based on his body of work this season but better to try and trade him for an asset as opposed to letting him walk for free this summer.
TL;DR: Both will probaby still be Pistons this time tomorrow but aggresively shopping KCP would please me
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
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February 22nd, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
Trade Reggie Jackson>consolidate frontcourt talent of Johnson/Morris/Harris/Leuer/Baynes>trade Drummond>trade KCP.
If you trade Drummond you HAVE to trade Jackson first.
KCP isn't part of the problem at all. You only trade KCP if you couldn't accomplish any of the other moves AND you're concerned about maxing him this offseason AND you are offered great value in return in a league that has a dearth of SG talent.
February 23rd, 2017 at 7:21 AM ^
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February 22nd, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
February 22nd, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^
He leads the league in total offensive rebounds (2nd in ORB%), total overall rebounds (1st in %), and is third in total defensive rebounds (1st in %). Simply put, he's the best rebounder in the game.
He's 12th in steals per game and 6th in FG%.
I realize it's popular to shit on Drummond for a number of things, but when it comes to his strengths he is elite.
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:25 AM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
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February 23rd, 2017 at 12:40 AM ^
Building around Drummond as your star was always a losing proposition. Just because he is a 20-10 guy doesn't make him a good choice to lead the team or build a contender around. I wouldn't want my go to player to be a liability from the line unless there is another absolute superstar in the mix with him (see: Shaq and Kobe). I would deal Drummond and Jackson. Not sure about KCP. May be worth keeping but it wouldn't worry me either way. Blow it up as many times as it takes until you put together drafting a superstar with a great number two.
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:52 AM ^
Drummond has never been a 20-10 guy and probably never will be
February 23rd, 2017 at 10:40 AM ^
Yeah, that meme bugs me. Drummond has averaged more than 15 PPG once in his career, last year, when he got to 16. He's a 15-15 guy, but he's probably never going to be a 20-10 guy unless he's able to tack 30+ points onto his FT average.
February 23rd, 2017 at 1:11 AM ^
1. Drummond is already better than Chandler ever was
2. It's true if Drummond is our best player, the Pistons aren't touching a chip, but I'd rather have him than not. Piston's messed up by betting on Jackson. If you put an elite guard/wing next to Drummond, this team is dangerous.
3. Drummond arguments remind me of Stafford arguments, "Let's get rid of our best player because he can't cover up the mistakes of everybody else!!"
February 23rd, 2017 at 1:20 AM ^
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February 23rd, 2017 at 7:21 AM ^
Joe Dumars chose him rather than Trey Burke a few years ago, leading many here to "shake their fist" at Dumars.
On that pick, at least, history has judged Joe positively.
February 23rd, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 8:20 AM ^
Ken Holland is thinking about resigning Smith, since there has been a lot of trade interest in him...
February 23rd, 2017 at 8:41 AM ^
For ALL of those guys, trade them. The cool aid is warm and is just not working. It's time to overhaul the whole structure and bring in new blood. If you can get a bunch of draft picks, or a player and a draft pick, so be it.
The team clearly has some divisions going on. Jackson and Drummond seem to be chums and the others aren't happy with the Jackson ball dominance.
February 23rd, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^
Perfectly fine...they aren't turning into hall-of-famers. Drummond hasn't progressed enough to my eyes.
February 23rd, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
February 23rd, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
He's been in the league for five years, his FT shooting has basically remained horrible, he can't shoot from 7-8 feet past the rim, you can't keep him on the floor in the most crucial parts of the game because he's such an offensive sink hole.
Typically, you'd see a steady improvement from players as they go along. His numbers are very flat. Yeah, his rebounding is fantastic, but outside of that he provides nothing. Not to mention he's a HORRIBLE defender for someone his size and plays with the fire of a stove on low heat.
If you can get value for him now and improve your team, why wouldn't you?