OT: At Penn State, student dies at home of Head Football Trainer but everybody involved is charged except him
Typical Penn State and what is becoming a big story in Pennsylvania. A couple months ago a kid died at a fraternity house during a fraternity members only party from the injuries resulting from alcohol and hazing. The details are starting to come out but tragically the kid died from activities at the party and the fraternity members tried to cover it up (removing evidence from the house, telling members to lie to detectives, deleting messages, etc.). In total, 18 fraternity members have been charged with a litany of things with the most serious charges being involuntary man-slaughter and tampering with evidence.
However, 20 people were at the house that night.... the person not charged - Tim Bream who is the Head of Trainer for the Penn State football program. Why was he there? He is the senior residential advisor of the house and was there that night. Now the DA has said he hasn't been charged b/c "he didn't know of the victim's injuries" or that a "party was going on" or that "he wasn't consulting about covering anything up".
But many people are wondering how in the world could he not have known what was going on at this rager (where beer bottles were thrown against the wall as an activity) and have not known there was a dead body in the house if he was there?? Especially since it's a typical fraternity house with thin walls.
Link to him not being charged here
Link to the story of the 18 charges here
team has been through SO much. Let them be.
On a serious note, truly sad a student died.
I dont think he is being serious.
Well that's what I get for joining and commenting from the Cinco de Mayo group lunch at work. My bad guys.
"On a serious note" implies the previous part was not serious.
Whoosh.
How do you function on this site without a sarcasm meter?
negged for missing blatant sarcasm. I mean, he even typed "on a serious note" and you still missed it.
Denial is a river flowing through State College
Stacy parks miller, wow another female prosecutuing attorney covering shit up and not doing her job. You hearing me Ingham county. Whatever her name is.
I don't always understand legal procedures, so I won't comment on why he is not charged.
BUT HTF IS HE STILL EMPLOYED!?!?!?!?!?
Every employee of a university is responsible to look out for and maintain the well being of the students.
I have a real hard time seeing anything like this happening under the watch of Michigan staff. Is it me wearing rose-colored glasses? Or is PSU really that bad?
I'm more familiar with small private colleges, but I think the majority of universities would have already suspended or fired an employee who was the school's representative/sponsor for a fraternity in which someone died during a party with hazing and then inacted a cover up plan. Especially since he was at the party. It would be different if he had not been there. According to the article he was there when it happened! Through the eyes of most administrators he is the responsible party in this situation.
Every employee of that university is responsible to look out for and maintain the well being of the students. I agree. So then they should ALL be fired, don't you think? Every administrator at the college? Didn't they ALL fail here? None of the employees charged with maintaining the well being of this student did their job, wouldn't you agree?
Or does it matter if they actually played some part in this kid's death? Because I'm not seeing anything written anywhere that states Tim Bream, James Franklin or anybody else employed by Penn State had anything to do with this.
Yeah, Tim Bream lives there. So do 39 fraternity members. Only 18 people were charged with a crime. Assuming they are all residents (which is a gigantic assumption almost certain to be incorrect), why are we not losing our shit over the other 21+ residents that weren't charged?
Back to my original question: Why is this OP all about Tim Bream? Can you tell me specifically what he did wrong?
The OP is about Tim becuase he is connected to the football team and a student died in a house where he is the senior residential advisor and he was present at the house at the time.
The OP is suspecting that he is not being charged with a crime due to his connection with the football program.
I really don't want to get into this and I regret my post above.
He lives there. I assume he was at the house at the time because of the OP but haven't seen that officially stated anywhere (and admittedly haven't really looked all that hard).
The OP is obviously a gigantic jump to conclusions based on pre-conceived feelings about Penn State. It's completely petty and unfair to Tim Bream considering we all know jack-sh** about the incident, but in the grand scheme of things I really don't care, so go ahead and burn him down. I'm gonna go read about hockey.
There will be a statue of the head football trainer looking the other way outside of the frat house.
Um...I think that's sort of what he's insinuating...
This is a result of the mandatory JoePa "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing" ethics training. RIP young man.
...most of the time
At frat houses, the fraternity "moms" and "dads", usually an older grad student or employee of the university, will never participate in any drinking or other fraternity-related activities. They usually stay in their rooms and basically try to ensure the house doesn't burn down.
I'm sure the Senior RA was locked in his room that night with no idea of what actually occurred. In fact, the culpable brothers probably tried to cover up the activities from him as well as the investigating authorities.
I know it's fashionable and entertaining for some MGoBloggers to continually bash Penn State for any and everyting. Usually, if it's related to anything Sandusky, it's warranted. This isn't. I highly, highly doubt the RA did anything criminal. He's one of the few in the house not charged, most likely, because he was one of the few non-participants in the coverup that night.
Yeah this doesn't really have anything to do with football, although Tim Bream is in his 50s and that's creepy as fuck to be living in a frat if you ask me.
What I find incredibly disturbing is that this guy had a 0.40 BAC, fell down the stairs and cracked his head open, kept trying to get up and immediately fell back over, and all these people just laid him on the couch to die. I can't wrap my head around that.
This isn't a Penn State thing, this isn't a greek life thing, this is a people are too self-absorbed to care about their fellow human beings. I still think that the majority of people are good, but this is starting to become way too common.
It's been awhile since I was in college but I saw plenty of wasted people in my time there, and I never expected any of them to die. Maybe i'm giving the students the benefit of the doubt, but i'm going to assume they had no idea how serious the situation was. Probably just assumed he was wasted, put him to bed and let him sleep it off.
The problem is, if you read the full story, some members wanted to call 911 because he was completely unresponsive but they were roughed up by senior members of the frat who said they had it under control and didn't want to get in trouble.
There's a difference between seeing people wasted like you stated and seeing someone bounce their head down a flight of stairs.
Penn State's Beta chapter has a strange legacy. They were Chapter of the Year a little while ago, a very old fraternity with many accolades.
Around campus they were not well liked. Girls know which frats not to hang around by themselves, they were that fraternity.
I could definitely see older members not wanting to take him to the hospital to avoid hurting their reputation. Now they're banned for life on Penn State's campus and forced PSU to do a complete revamp of Greek life.
Whenever I personally see someone crack their scull open, the first thing I think is gee, we better get him to lay down and hopefully fall into a deep sleep. Never keep them alert and or awake then immediately either call 911 and get an ambulance front and center or race them off to a close by emergency room.
So let that be a lesson to those of you who may be unfortunate enough to run into this tragic tragic head trauma.
no excuse.
"Assumed they had no idea how serious the situation was." "Probably assumed he was just wasted..." You can't be serious! If these kids are that F'n stupid how in the hell could they possibly be in college. Get a grip man, these buffoons were very well aware of the situation and if not it speaks volumes of their complete ignorance. ANYTIME anybody falls head first down the stairs it is a very serious situation! If they were that drunk as to not see the seriousness then they were all on the verge of alcohol poisioning, but not likely.
sure the other people at the party were not exactly sober, but it is hard to believe that there was not one person level headed enough to try to take control of the situation.
You're right, it is not a "greek life thing," necessarily. However, from spending enough time around different fraternities at several different schools (never tried to join), I do think there are some inherent qualities about them that lead to incidents like this.
No matter how much they want to sell it, frat brothers are not brothers, but they throw around the idea that it is actually like a family. I think some kids, particularly pledges, tend to believe that they think of each other and treat each other "like family" and that nobody will let them get hurt. They kind of see it as a comfort zone where nothing bad will happen because "their brothers would never let it." A lot of the most reckless behavior that I witnessed in colleges were at fraternity houses. I didn't really like the vibe at frat parties.
Quite a few college incidents like this take place at frat houses and I don't think it is a coincidence.
He's telling you what you shouldn't do, and I'll tell you that you shouldn't act like an ass when someone corrects a distorted stereotype you have.
No one with actual knowledge ofr fraternities thinks your stereotypical and ignorant view of fraternities is accurate. But I suggest that you don't change your mind based on new facts. I suggest that you double down on the stupid, because that lets the rest of us point our fingers at you and snicker. Watching someone make an ass of themselves is more fun than watching a person reconsider their prejudices.