OT: Noose found at UM Hospital...Not actually a noose.
Wanted to post this since it was a topic of discussion several weeks ago. Looks like the most logical answer was the right answer.
Worth posting because there's often a lot of hand-wringing and "oh, the racism everywhere" when one of these stories comes out and almost no interest from the same people in what actually happened when the investigation is complete.
Good news all around.
The point is it was never actually going to be a noose and a hate crime, but a certain segment of our population has no problem jumping to the worst possible conclusion to try and make themselves look woke. Of course, the most likely outcomes to situations like this are A. Its a hoax B. Its a misunderstanding (like we see here) or C. We never figure out what actually happened but it gets chalked up as a legit "hate crime" (for example, despite Lebron James living in an extremely wealthy neighborhood that must have cameras everywhere, we've never heard another word about who spray-painted a racial slur on his front gate two years ago). Very rarely you find a legitimate nazi lurking in the storage room tying nooses.
Anyone who was legitimately concerned by this I sympathize for because their thinking has clearly been altered toward delusion by the current information age.
My guy, you are severely underestimating the number of racists out there still.
How many racists are out there still?
More than you would estimate, apparently.
I don't portend to know, so I don't get your comment.
A joke isn't funny if I explain it to you.
Its not a joke if it isn't funny (even if you're the only one laughing at it)
I could be wrong, but I believe he is on your side.
WGoNerd guy is telling someone he doesn't know (ScooterTooter) that there are more racists than he is estimating. You asked how many is that because it's an absolutely insane thing for Nerd to assume. JPC is joking along with you that it doesn't matter to WGoNerd, it's automatically more than you think.
Thanks. Clearly the number of people who required a thorough explanation of a simple joke was more than I estimated.
OK, I admit I didn't catch that. I'm an idiot. Carry on :)
62,984,828 by last official count.
Don't forget the Bernie bros who sat out the election and ancillary racists like Gary Johnson and Jill Stein voters!
Didn't vote for the man, but know many who did. Please take that condescending, stupid bullshit elsewhere. Disagreeing with your political leanings is not racism.
The most charitable interpretation of voting for a racist is indifference to racism.
But, hey, whatever helps those many who did sleep at night.
Comrade, you have won the internet today.
I mean, Clinton voters voted for a woman who championed the Iraq War (something more disastrous than anything Donald Trump has done) and on national TV lauded her handling of Libya, something that has resulted in a Civil War, thousands dead, a return to slavery and something Barack Obama called his biggest regret (I think. Might have been one of his biggest).
How do they sleep at night?
What does any of this have to do with Hillary Clinton?
It's Hillary Clinton all the way down for these people.
both of you are way smarter than that. he was merely pointing out something we all suffer from: selective 'outrage'. you thought X was bad, but Y is worse and you didn't care!
I mean, I'm genuinely curious: What has Donald Trump done that is worse than starting the Civil War in Libya?
Its really tough to take people seriously when they are talking about all the horror inflicted by a Donald Trump tweet or blatheringly dumb response to a question when they legitimately just let stuff like that slide.
Remind me again when Hillary Clinton was President? Donald Trump publicly supported the disaster that was the Iraq War until it started going bad, and that war was objectively driven by Republicans and the right wing noise machine. That's simply a fact. The additional fact that some Democrats with aspirations to higher office didn't want to risk being called peaceniks or derided as "against the troops" is sad but neither here nor there.
You don't seem to know much about Libya. There was already a civil war, and President Obama intervened with air power on the eve of a historic slaughter that the world hadn't seen the likes of since Srebrenica. They stopped it. I'm glad they did. Wish the parties had used that moment to make peace but that's not how it went down. I sleep fine at night, by the way, probably because I live in California and Trump supporters keep an awfully low profile around here. I've never knowingly had a Trump supporter in my home and aim to keep it as such.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
Come on man. Give it up. That is some crazy cope, the likes I havent seen in a while.
Barack Obama himself called it his biggest mistake.
We'd love to keep it that way too.
Its more the silly double standard.
OMG, Donald Trump sends out mildly offensive tweets that do nothing, how could you vote for the man?
Its constant, never ending.
Meanwhile, people like to pretend like the alternative to Donald Trump didn't actively help contribute to killing hundreds of thousands of brown people, start various wars in their countries and actually helped slavery return to Libya.
How do they sleep at night?
Get out of here with all that common sense and logic! They want no part of either.
Mildly fucking offensive?!?
Jesus, we're doomed.
I think you included the wrong link. I could not find anything in there blaming Hilary Clinton for returning slavery to Libya
Which actually proves another point.
People who voted for Donald Trump are constantly derided with rhetoric along the lines of "OMG, Donald Trump is so awful because of (insert thing here) how can you sleep at night?".
I'm genuinely curious if anyone who voted for Hillary Clinton has trouble sleeping at night because of actual turmoil she helped cause in the world?
I didn't vote for either one of those assholes and I sleep great at night.
The last sane man in this world. And well-rested to boot!
I don't know, man. Being a racist rapist is a bit different than making short-sighted policy choices.
But when whataboutism is your only defense...
Next you're going to tell us all about how Trump intimidated his husband's rape victims into silence. #metoo #believeallwomen
They're all shit. You're just too stupid to realize it.
In your honest opinion, given all available evidence, which of the following is more likely to be true?
POTUS has lived an exemplary life, exhibiting untold charity, grace and goodwill towards his fellow man.
Or he has done some very bad things to women, children, and people of color for longer than either one of us have been alive?
I'll hang up and listen.
I'll take alleged bad behavior that surfaced when it was politically inconvenient and a "racist" over someone who was too stupid to learn from the Iraq war.
But hey, I guess we have different priorities. You hate racism so much you voted for a woman who delighted in throwing a country into turmoil resulting in thousands of dead brown people. That's real anti-racism.
That's quite charitable indeed. But in its own way, indifference is even scarier.
Since there is about 7 billion people in the world, that's not too bad. Less than a percent in the world are racist by the last official count.
Well... Almost 15% of whites still believe interracial marriage is wrong.
This would be a silly conversation to have as I'm guessing 100 people would have 100 different answers as to what falls under the definition of racism and who can even be considered racist.
I would guess that the brush used to paint people with the term has widened considerably over the last 15-20 years or so. But just a guess.
"There was a racist event!"
"We're pleased to report there wasn't; it was a misunderstanding."
"But it could have been!"
"But it wasn't."
"You clearly are not concerned enough about racism!"
Got it.
"There may have been a racist event."
"But there may not have been a racist event."
"That is awful if there was."
"We don't know if it was yet."
"Oh, it turns out that wasn't a racist event."
"Oh, so racism doesn't exist!"
Straight out of the Tucker Carlson School of the Intellectual Lightweight Circle-Jerk.
Stop! No one is saying racism doesn't exist.
There's a whole slew of comments on this very post to the effect of "see, I told you so, it wasn't a noose, I knew it all along."
Now, that's not /quite/ the same as saying "racism doesn't exist," but you do have to wonder how all these people "knew it all along" if racism was a plausible explanation for the initial event (which it was, IMO).
I could be wrong but I don't think there was even anyone who said "I knew it all along". Even so, I'm not going to assume that it means "racism doesn't exist" because they had some doubts and wanted see more evidence before making a judgement. That's a huge HUGE stretch.
I was 99.9% sure it was not going to be anything other than a misunderstanding or outright hoax. But again, I pay attention to the outcomes of these types of things so I can see why that might seem strange to some.
I'll play:
"There was a racist event"
"But do we have all the facts yet to make that call?"
"Doesn't matter, in this day in age...[some long-winded rant about the president etc. etc]...so clearly this is a racist event"
[facts come out saying it was all a misunderstanding]
"see, all a misunderstanding, no racist event, we can all move on"
"no, we can't move on...[another long-winded rant about how this ties into the president etc. etc.]
"I don't agree with you"
[I'm clearly morally superior to this person who doesn't agree with me, so I'll find the intellectually lazy way of getting out of this discussion by calling him a name]:
"Straight out of the Tucker Carlson School of the Intellectual Lightweight Circle-Jerk"
WSJ says that racism in America is basically gone. Politicians are keeping it alive for their own purposes:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-race-card-has-gone-bust-11563318876
Their thinking has not been altered by the "current information age," their perspective has been altered by the main-streaming of very racist views in our country. It is not "the information age," it is the "information" itself being distributed. I don't know, like the President of the country telling people of different nationalities and races to "go back to their country."
You want to take the fact that this turned out not to be something involving racism or a hate crime and use to dismiss any and all concern regarding the rise and promulgation of overtly racist rhetoric. That is intellectually dishonest, and dangerously so.
How about "Item found determined not to be a noose. Initial concerns that incident may have been targeted racist propaganda dispelled."
Does that work?
I've been reading a bit about racism and I'm surprised at how little I know. I had never heard of Black Wall Street, the bombing of the black neighborhood in 1985, the violent white mobs enforcing housing segregation, etc. I would expect there are many white people who are just wildly uneducated about racism.
I mean, did you not go to school?
I was learning all this stuff 15 years ago in a fairly conservative district.