OT-ish: Saban using former players for practice squad

Submitted by canzior on

So...this just seems so outside of the rules, considering former players cannot even speak with recruits..but apparently he has cleared it with the SEC and the NCAA.  He has brought back Blake Sims, Trent Richardson, and Parker Wilson.  

Personally, I love the idea, (and would love to former players having a chance to come back and improve the current players) but I think we all know if Harbaugh did this, Sankey would salt the earth and the collective ESPN mind(s) would lose it.

EDIT: Source added.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/trent-richardson-simulated-leonard-fournette-on-the-alabama-practice-team/

pdgoblue25

November 8th, 2016 at 9:09 AM ^

I'm not saying it's not a great idea, but considering the stupid shit that is against NCAA rules, I can't imagine this being ok.

Would love to see Harbaugh have Tom Brady running the practice squad with a red jersey on.

Dylan

November 8th, 2016 at 9:15 AM ^

I mean -- if this is legal, there is no excuse not to use it.  Get everyone not currently on an NFL roster who is still in game shape back to Ann Arbor asap.

canzior

November 8th, 2016 at 12:19 PM ^

as much as they HAVE talent.  Compared to their recruiting they have underdeveloped defensive backs and quarterbacks to an almost criminal level. Running backs seem to underperform when they don't have the biggest players on the field blocking for them.  And the lbs have difficulty when the best DL in cfb isn't keeping them free and clear. 

They do Amari Cooper and Julio Jones (depsite being underused in college) so there's that...

Space Coyote

November 8th, 2016 at 9:23 AM ^

Seems again like a slippery slope. But while it's within the rules, he has every right to do it.

My guess is they are coming back as "team managers", and that's the loophole. Team managers do a lot in practice to help as scout players, from actually playing in some sports, to just getting guys into the right spots as quickly as possible. This is throughout college sports, so any rule needs to make sure they aren't restricting other sports because football is finding a loophole (essentially the same concern that applies with the Spring Break Spring practice issue).

These guys aren't on the coaching staff, they aren't on the staff in another capacity. They can't coach. They don't have eligibility remaining. It's cool for the players. It's a cool idea to get your team to go up against guys that are reasonably quite good (although it causes you to lose some practice time for your players you still have). I get why they are doing it, and it's nice in a vacuum. But seems like a loophole that should likely be closed. I have no issue with guys coming back as often as possible and being present at practice or whatever else, but allowing them to suit up and act as pseudo-coaches on the field seems a bit much.

And for the record, I was also for more regulation on satellite camps. While I think they are a benefit, I think they are cool and agreed with Harbaugh doing it while it was within the rules, I'm not completely against restricting the number to something more reasonable (I think they went a bit far, but am not totally against where they ended up; just happy they still allow the camps to take place though).

Space Coyote

November 8th, 2016 at 9:25 AM ^

In a vacuum, the players aren't really hurt by satellite camps or the use of former players on the practice squad, so why restrict it? And the reason behind it is because there comes a slippery slope that you want to prevent getting too before you actually get there. Both rightfully should have some regulation. Neither in a vacuum are necessarily bad for the players. But certainly you get to the point where it doesn't benefit the players/coaches and especially the smaller programs.

trueblueintexas

November 8th, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^

I'll start by stating I don't think using former players as part of practice should be legal. That just seems ridiculous to me for many reasons. 

I don't think satellite camps and what Saban is doing are similar issues at all. Satellite camps are designed to help high school kids improve at playing football and to provide exposure for high school kids in recruiting. Everything is focused on helping a high school kid. If anyone wants to argue satellite camps are only for college recruiting, fine, I think that is true for some coaches but not all.

What Saban is doing is using people no longer officially part of a college team (eligible player or paid coach) to actively take place in a team practice activiity. The only benefit of this situation is the school preparing for an opponent by using a resource that basically has nothing to do with the school now. 

How this is legal, I have no idea. Does the rule state they have to be alumni? What if a coach complied a practice squad of all the best football players not currently in the NFL regardless of the school they attended. And then practiced against that squad every week. Does that sound like fair and balanced collegiate sport? Sounds like the NFL to me.

Ali G Bomaye

November 8th, 2016 at 9:26 AM ^

This is a great message for Alabama recruits. "Hey guys, here's our starting QB from two years ago and our Heisman-finalist RB from four years ago. They're here right now because they're both out of the NFL already!"

Space Coyote

November 8th, 2016 at 9:33 AM ^

So it's not really a bad message to send recruits. You are telling them: look, if you don't make it in the NFL, you are still welcome back here and to be a part of the program and all that stuff. So it's not really a negative. Unless having Devin Gardner come back, Gallon come back, or any number of other Michigan players come back and be around the program would be considered "bad for recruiting", then I don't really see that as an issue for Alabama.

MGo Joker

November 8th, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^

I don't mind them doing this if it is not against the rules. There is a trade-off however, as it takes time away from younger players getting reps. My first thought about this particular situation is that Trent Richardson can onlyimitate Ray Charles because Richardson has no vision. 

See what I did there? [insert favorite Joker laugh (mine is Hamill or Ledger)]

Hard-Baughlls

November 8th, 2016 at 10:20 AM ^

he would cry foul.  Instead, Harbaugh is a true competitior and would say, "Well done, just upset I didn't think of it first."

ghostofhoke

November 8th, 2016 at 10:35 AM ^

You're telling me we could've had Tom Brady running scout team offense for 4 weeks and we didn't take advantage of that? Maybe we wouldn't have given up several TDs to Colorado. We totally blew this season. Thanks Harbaugh. /s



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bacon

November 8th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

They have to be players not on the NFL roster because their teams would never allow it. I guess there's a lot of high profile Bama players who have failed in the NFL.

canzior

November 8th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^

when you take 5 star recruits and 1st round draft picks? And they are out of the league. Saban sells the NFL dream. A cursory glance will say hey these guys made it. A deeper look by a student evaluating colleges will reveal why a Trent Richardson didn't succeed in the NFL after being a top 5 pick.  He had the best line, the best defense, and too many miles on him. He never had to learn new things to succeed. Same with their qb's. Easy to win with a clean pocket and 5 star receivers...and never leaving the warm weather.  But how will you perform on the road in December in Green Bay and a ferocious pass rush?  Alabama doesn't prepare them for that.

bronxblue

November 8th, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^

I don't buy the lack of preparation for NFL players; Alabama has the 5th-most players in the pros of anyone.  Hell, MSU has 10 more than UM.  

Richardson flaming out did surprise people, mostly because we didn't all realize that drafting an Alabama running back tends to be a crapshoot.  But Alabama produces a bunch of pros, many of whom play for a long time on a slew of teams.

bronxblue

November 8th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^

I mean, Richardson had the time.

But honestly, if this is cool with the NCAA, I think it's nice and quite useful.  Imagine Denard coming back and helping UM prepare for OSU.