OT: GoT S8 E3
Well, this is the episode everyone will be talking about for years to come. Battle scenes took months to shoot, leading to most likely the death of many characters that are either hated and beloved.
Anyone have any good theories of what will go down? I think the dead Starks are going to be raised by the NK, only to fight for the good guys.
Well, aren't you the hoity toity, uppity, and self-important one... You should learn to relax - who knows, you might have some fun by removing the stick from your ass!
I have to disagree with the other responses. If you were not full fledged hooked after “Bailor” (Season 1, Episode 9) I don’t think there is anything there for you. Really the show peaks in Season 3. You should watch Season 3 if only to see one of the most iconic episodes of any show in history, but I doubt you will be “all in” if you weren’t after 2 seasons.
Completely agree with this. At that point, we had been introduced to some really clever, interesting characters (Baelish, Tyrion, Tywin, Cersei) and we were stunningly told that this is a different story that won't follow the typically predictable happy ending for the protagonists.
Understandable if the genre isn't appealing to people, but if you weren't intrigued by what you saw to that point, I'm not sure what else would get you into it (unless as it became more and more popular people got into it for the social aspect, which I'm sure happened for people).
I really enjoyed seasons 3-5 the most. I liked all the others, but I generally look at those as "the golden years" of GoT. So if you gave up at season two, my personal opinion is that you could yet find it enjoyable.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^
Season 5 is objectively the worst season of all. 1-4 are pretty great. Five sucks, six okay, seven... Meh
April 29th, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
6 is excellent.
Okay, so I'm new to this GoT stuff but I did watch the last two episodes.
Question: do the NK's powers work like a game of tag? Can he turn the living into the dead by touching them? And how does he animate the already dead? And lastly, how is the NK able to be killed? I'm guessing dragon fire is not enough?
Watch the episode Hardhome to answer your first question.
If you are just starting to watch, It is better not to ask to many questions re: the Night King. It takes a while to explain and it doesn’t really hold up. I would just think of him as a Big Bad Mo Fo who gets the job done.
Oh, so he's like Urban Meyer?
Actually a pretty good comparison.
Generally the answer to 1 is NO. He touched both Bran and now Arya and didn't turn them into the dead. Beings have to be dead already (which he can do traditionally) before he can reanimate them.
The exceptions are how he creates his White Walkers (which are beings like him and different from the reanimated dead called wights). He does turn babies directly into White Walkers but I'm pretty sure he can only do that in the singular sacred place where he has that power and was shown in a previous season.
He animates the already dead by lifting his arms and conjuring up some power to do it (not sure what his "range" is for doing this, but has to be relatively close considering that he could just raise people in graves all over Westeros if his range was unlimited).
I assume you posted this before the episode but as was answered, he couldn't be killed by dragon fire, could be killed by Valyrian steel and it's unknown whether dragonglass would have done it (but probably would have).
I predict a bunch of people bitching about it tomorrow no matter how it goes down.
I think Breaking Bad takes it by 1 at the buzzer. BB just kept getting better until the last episodes. If GOT sticks the landing it could change that up but it hasn’t thus far, IMO.
Sopranos is the best show ever made
I don’t have it in my Top 5. I don’t think it has aged as well as some other people do. It was like the “model T” of prestige dramas, and for that it stands out, but I don’t think it is the cream of the crop.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:47 PM ^
Hey, does Tyrion deserve that?
April 28th, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
Should have been Ceiling Cat.
It is wild to me that they sent so many to the crypts without one sentence of on-screen dialogue on if the dead there could/would rise or not. I enjoyed the last episode otherwise but it’s totally implausible that wouldn’t even come up.
There are many mysteries about NK but that’s the one thing everyone making the plans knows he can do!
That would've ruined the surprise factor for viewers. If they had mentioned the dead possibly being able to bust out of the crypts then everyone would've been waiting for it
Was anyone surprised other than the characters who should also know better?
Yeah, I think the writers insulted the intelligence of viewers a bit by even thinking that could have been a surprise, especially with all the foreshadowing. Definitely ridiculous that Sam especially wouldn't have brought up the concern given his firsthand experience and knowledge of white walkers/wights and that Gilly and Sam, Jr were down there.
There was still a question about what the range was for reanimating the dead. Like did they have to be within sight of the animating Walker? We know the answer now to be no, but that could have been part of the conversation when anyone with half of brain would have brought up, hey, there are a bunch of dead bodies down in the crypts.
Tonight is going to be a complete slaughter, one way or the other. Either:
1) The whole army of the dead, including the Night King, descend upon Winterfell and while it seems fairly even for a time, maybe even with the chance of pushing the dead back, the dead Starks come to life from within the crypts, slaughter all the women and children inside, and only a handful of the heroes escape before Winterfell is completely overrun. That would be Tyrion, the Hound, Jaime, Jon, and either Arya or Sansa. Not both.
2) The Night King never shows in Winterfell, and while some heroes die in this episode, it isn’t a complete slaughter. They notice by the last 10-15 minutes of the episode that something isn’t right. The battle is simply going too well. NK knows that even though he has the advantage in Winterfell, he’s fighting an army that has spent a long time preparing for him, so he’s willing to let his current army take heavier losses without him. Instead, he flies down to a completely unsuspecting and woefully unprepared King’s Landing and slaughters the entire city. Golden Company included. Cersei escapes like a coward with Gregor, Qyburn and maybe Euron, but the Night King raises his million man army, and marches them north back towards Winterfell to finish off what is left of the survivors.
Some form of 2 seems likely to me with or without King's Landing. It seems like a long way to march the dead in whatever timeline is presented (but they've done that before) so maybe we see Cersei send her army out and then NK gets them and brings them to the next episode. Maybe NK just raises all the other dead in the North and recruits the living.
I just have a feeling this episode features battle but the next one is the battle episode that was hyped all Thrones offseason. Fits my imagined pacing a bit better (if this episode is 100% WINTERFELL BATTLE then they're ignoring King's Landing/Cersei for two consecutive episodes) and would be a very Thrones bait and switch.
Since this is GoT, I imagine there is a big misdirection coming. Is the Night King even at the battle? Or could the NK start a second front? Like while his army is marching down towards Winterfell, NK instead flies south to raise another army in Kings Landing. I don’t think we’ve seen what Bran can really do yet either. Whatever happens, a lot of death for secondary characters with our hero’s surviving to fight the final battle witch will be in episode 5.
Same here but I think final battle is Ep 4, with Ep 5-6 dealing with the remaining Thrones Gaming and wrapping up survivor arcs.
End of tonight NK shows up with a huge army on the horizon or something. Maybe raises all of the dead from the initial battle, too.
The director that does all the big battles (watchers on the wall, hardhome, battle of bastards, winds of winter) is directing episodes 3 and 5. Seems 5 is final battle.
Well that just blows up my whole timing idea.
Reruns of King of Queens for me
Winterfell will be overrun with carnage ensuing. Dany will lose another of her children. After the sweet reunion, one of the Starks dies tonight...my guess Sansa.
I predict something totally shocking will happen at the heart tree with Bran. Good or bad, who knows, but something blood magic-y or otherwise out of the oooold history will be brought forth.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^
+1.
Post some lottery numbers next.
I don't know about you guys, but I can't see a damn thing.
So fucking annoying how they did that.
April 28th, 2019 at 10:12 PM ^
Okay. Don’t know if anyone has stated this, but my biggest problem with this show is how dumb the characters are. If this wasn’t the dumbest battle plan made up by the living side I don’t know what is. Instead of using your cavalry to flank the enemy and roll them up after they’re engaged you begin the battle by completely wasting them in the first minute. Probably your biggest advantage. Second you use your catapults/trebuchets once? How can you see the enemy coming without constantly barraging them with aerial fire on their way in and weakening them? I get this is fantasy, but if you’ve read the books Martin doesn’t make his characters quite so stupid. I mean they lost this battlebefore it even started and wasted every advantage they had.
April 28th, 2019 at 10:48 PM ^
Yeah the characters in this show are hilariously stupid now.
The Dothraki charge was dumb af
the ending was dumb.
Nothing explained. Bran is literally pointless unless the next 3 episodes explain wtf eight seasons of “Winter is coming” means
April 28th, 2019 at 11:05 PM ^
You really haven’t figured out what winter is coming means?
I've forgotten if it was addressed in the show at some point, but "Winter is Coming" was a larger theme in the books and at first was quite a detailed reference to long periods of snow and cold. Winterfell is constructed to withstand it, not much else is. The books take place in an unusually long period without a "winter," which people like Samwell say means a much harsher winter when it does arrive.
The Wall exists to keep out the Night King, or something in lore along those lines because most people don't believe these creatures exist. That gives the phrase a second meaning, obviously, but not one we're used to hearing. What "Winter is Coming" originally meant is no longer part of the show - they've been avoiding those pieces of the books since before they caught up with Martin. It will be a focus of the books if he ever finishes them.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:08 PM ^
I Completely agree. Don’t know if you read the books, but I seriously doubt/hope Martin didn’t plan this. Glad for people who enjoyed it, but as a fan of the books I seriously hope this is the TV guys doing their own ending.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:29 PM ^
I enjoyed it, but the show is night and day different from the first few seasons.
The battle between good and evil is done, and the good guys won, just like in a Disney movie.
Now they're going back to fighting over an iron chair.
Meh.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:35 PM ^
That’s my biggest problem, and I get it could be a me problem. My expectation is I’m not getting a book ending, he’s taking too long and is too old. This is the only ending I figure I’m going to get. Maybe if I wasn’t a fan of the books this would work? But as a fan of the books the last few seasons, at least to me, have been hot garbage. And I seriously hope this wasn’t the author of the source materials intended ending.
I don't think he's ever going to finish the books either, probably because he's spending most of his time drinking wine and being inside 20 year old fans now that he's super wealthy and very famous.
But I also don't think he would / will end it this way. I think this is mostly on the writers / showrunners (which is a stupid title that I only started hearing the past few years) doing what they know how to do well.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:22 AM ^
Why do they need to fight?
Arya literally managed to sneak through the entire army of the dead and stab the the Night King to death. What is left that is possibly more difficult than that?
Get her to King's Landing (how she gets there does not matter at all by GoT standards), have her kill Qyburn and take his face, next meeting with Cersei, slit her throat. Game over.
April 28th, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^
I've never had to piss so bad in my entire life.. oh and Great fucking episode.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:44 AM ^
Pause button still works
April 28th, 2019 at 10:35 PM ^
OHHHHH MYYYY GAWWWWWWWD
April 28th, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
Holy shit, Arya is badass!!!
More of the main characters lived than I thought. Not much of an army left, but still got 1 dragon I guess.
April 28th, 2019 at 11:36 PM ^
Did Jon's dragon die? I couldn't tell, because the whole goddamn episode was apparently shot by candlelight.