OT: Explosions outside stadium of France vs Germany football match in Paris. [locked]
EDIT: 18 dead per Agence France-Presse
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665281686679257090
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2015/11/13/explosions-reported-at-stade-de-france-outside-par/
[Ed:S: Thread locked. It seems this was a coordinated terrorist attack. As of 7:04pm there are about 40 dead and rumored 100 taken hostage from a metal concert. France has closed its borders.
Comments have been disabled partly because early comments that were a bad idea looked like atrocious ideas once the scope of this became known. Also because some people have some very weird ideas about what goes on in other countries.]
November 13th, 2015 at 4:12 PM ^
Not good...
November 13th, 2015 at 5:08 PM ^
Link: Shootings reported.
Edit: 26 now. Sad. Guardian liveblog here.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:29 PM ^
Hope no one was injured.
Edit: Shit. What the hell is going on?
Edit 2: More updates found here. Looks like it could be in more than one location.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:56 PM ^
Now a third incident....has to be a terrorist attack. Also, there is a hostage situation reported.
EDIT: France is closing its borders.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^
A gunman using an automatic gun opened fire at the Cambodge restaurant in the capital's 11th district. BFMTV says at least seven people were injured.
Liberation newspaper says a number of people have been killed. There is no official confirmation.
Another attack - an explosion - is reported to have targeted a bar near Stade de France.
A BBC journalist at the scene says he can see 10 people on the road either dead or seriously injured.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^
Just saw this on the twitter feed of a guy I know who lives out in Paris
"A man w AK-47 just gunned down multiple people & on run on the canal side of La République area. "
November 13th, 2015 at 4:21 PM ^
sick world. sick people.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:22 PM ^
Great, I'll be in Paris next weekend. Anyone know where I can watch the game? /s
November 13th, 2015 at 4:27 PM ^
But also simultaneously.. too soon. (Or really, probably not really good.. ever) But I still laughed.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:32 PM ^
Agree, I negged myself.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:39 PM ^
I vote on my first reaction. I laughed, and then I cringed after social norms and such kicked in. Hopefully it's a contained situation... RIP to those who were lost. Maybe one day these types of shitty things will stop happening here and around the world, although sadly I don't think any of us will be around to see it.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:02 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 5:40 PM ^
There are at least 40 people confirmed dead as of this writing. We probably wouldn't appreciate that joke were the roles reversed.
November 13th, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 4:39 PM ^
This world sometimes. It's just maddening.
Thoughts and prayers to the victims, and I hope they catch the cowards who did this.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:43 PM ^
changed before our eyes. Over 200k+ a month are emigrating to Europe from Africa and Middle East and Europe won't be able to withstand this much longer. The EU called for an emergency immigration meeting earlier this week. They may suspend or cancel the free movement between EU nations because the flow of refugees is straining their resources.
November 13th, 2015 at 4:58 PM ^
The flow of migrants is already causing a stirring of revolt. In time many of these people be go back on their own or with assistance as Europe has no real place for them.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^
If incidents like this continue, you can be assured it will explode.
November 13th, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 6:42 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^
While what you say is definitely true, that is not the root cause of Europe's changing demographics. Europe by and large did this to themselves with the immigration policies of the 50s and 60s when, during the "economic miracle," they allowed millions of Muslims from North Africa and Turkey to come in and provide cheap labor. So when France is majority Muslim in 20 or 30 years (or maybe sooner), they will blame illegal immigrants (and do so now), but that will be only a small part of the story...
November 13th, 2015 at 5:04 PM ^
birth rate. They didn't and now they are where they are.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:12 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 5:13 PM ^
I know it's healthy among non-white French.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
Debunking misconceptions and reducing ignorance earns you an upvote.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^
We have issues with race in America. In Europe it's religion. Kinda depressing.
November 13th, 2015 at 6:26 PM ^
Oh to be clear, race is absolutely an issue in Europe, too.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:29 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 5:37 PM ^
You either are a hermit or have never been on the internet if you truly think I am the most "uninformed person" you have ever read.
I was corrected on my inaccurate statements. I admitted that I was once I was shown to be in the wrong.
You have revealed yourelf to be a horse' s ass so utterly deficit intellectually that you cannot write a response showing why my statements were wrong. Good job, jackass.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:16 PM ^
What's happening now is unprecidented. A quarter a million a month coming to Europe with no end in sight is changing the face of Europe now. Not past policies in the 50's or 60's. Dave Cameron took alot of grief from some EU nations for his hardline stance on not taking in the refugees but stood his ground. What's happening in France now is not due to polices of the European nations 60+ years ago. It's created from the war, povetry and strife in Africa and the Middle East currently.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:21 PM ^
"Dave." That gave me a chuckle.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
David Cameron. Your post gave me a chuckle as well.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
Only 8% of French citizens/residents are Muslim, and this is the largest per capita Muslim population in the EU. It is literally impossible for France to have a Muslim majority in 20-30 years.
See: http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/29/todays-key-fact-yo…
November 13th, 2015 at 5:40 PM ^
Well, no need to turn this into a debate in this context, but France does not allow religion to be asked in their official census. So the number of 8% you cite above is from a comparatively small sample derived from survey data collected by an independent research agency. The "real" number has been quoted as high as 15% or more. And given differences in birth rates in France, it is certainly possible that Muslims as the largest religious group in France by 2050, whether a majority or not. But demographic projections are virtually impossible, so no one really knows...
November 13th, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^
What do you have against math?
November 13th, 2015 at 4:50 PM ^
Add in the suicide bombing in Beirut that killed over 40 people yesterday. World is a fucked up place, man.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:03 PM ^
It can be, but these types of things always grab headlines because they're shocking. I shy away from the news these days because it's 95% depressing bullshit. They rarely report on a lot of the good people do. I still believe most people are inherently good, but the 1% of shitheads out there can sure fuck things up for the rest of us.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:10 PM ^
1 % of 7 billion is a very big number.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:34 PM ^
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November 13th, 2015 at 5:11 PM ^
Then the abused in their own homeland immigrants want to practice their homeland culture in their new country, and get angry when the citizens there say, no, this is our culture, you came here because your country was not good enough for you, so assimilate or go back.
What a f ups world.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:13 PM ^
They just lost a major battle to the Kurds in Iraq (backed by US airpower), following another major loss to Assad (backed by Russian airpower) in Syria. In the former, their fighters fled, even though the leadership said deserters would be executed. Staging attacks against unnarmed civilians is how groups like that project "strength" to their fanboys, especially at a moment of military weakness.
November 13th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
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November 13th, 2015 at 5:23 PM ^
there are as many as 100 hostages being taken in a theater, and cnbc has the total dead from all the attacks at 35 so far.
sigh. will this shit ever stop?
November 13th, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^
November 13th, 2015 at 5:43 PM ^
Not willing to do yet...