OT: Daylight Saving Time
Personally, I'm not a fan of Daylight Saving Time. My internal clock seems to have a hard time adjusting to the spring forward bit.
Fortunately, someone introduced a proposal in the MI House to end it. Not trying to get political here, as I'm pretty sure DST hate (or love I suppose) is a non-partisan issue.
Also, is MGoBlog boycotting DST? Or has someone just forgotten to reset the server clocks?
EDIT: Savings to Saving
March 12th, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^
I like the sunlight for the summer. Keep it like this. Your internal clock might be a bit weak.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
Extra sunlight in the morning is worthless and it makes the winter much more dreary when its dark at 4pm.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:18 AM ^
and I remember that Michigan was on the Western edge of the Eastern time zone which helped a bit with the time that the sun went down vs the East coast. But it was still a dreary existance leaving home and heading back when it was dark out. Ugh.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:34 AM ^
I lived in Chicago for a few years, eastern edge of a time zone. It was really depressing. On cloudy days in the winter it was dark by 4 in the afternoon. One of the many things I hated about living there.
March 12th, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^
What were your other reasons? I lived there for three years. Still work there sometimes. Love hate relationship with it. I'm in DC now. Many similar complaints here.
Well, I should preface that I'm not a city person. I lived in the suburbs there, which was maybe the worst of both worlds. Bad traffic, high cost of living, zero outdoor activities within reasonable distance, (at the risk of getting political) and stupid gun laws. Michigan/Detroit area is just a much better fit for me.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:35 AM ^
I love the hours of daylight that MI gets...being in Nashville (easternmost part of CST) I really miss the extra daylight in the afternoon. Wish they would put the whole state on EST
March 12th, 2015 at 12:25 PM ^
Just to note, we aren't on daylight savings time in the winter. That's standard time. We're on daylight savings time from March through the end of October.
daylight savings time year round
March 12th, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^
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March 12th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
Well, to be fair, everyone was talking like getting rid of DST would somehow lessen our access to the sun. That's not how this works. Besides, who's to say we can't stay stuck on "spring forward" instead of stuck on "fall back."
I think that nacho guy succinctly described why the arguments for DST are stupid.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^
I don't see that at all on this thread... I think most MGoBlog readers are smart enough to understand that we're at least a couple years from Google or Elon Musk being able to change the actual number of hours in a day. Of course it doesn't change how much sunlight the earth receives.
It changes when the sunlight is available. I like some other posters would actually prefer to stay permanently on "spring forward time" because there is a shift to more sunlight after a typical work day and less before and during the work day.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:59 AM ^
You're right. It appears that people are arguing to keep us IN DST, not to continue to flip back and forth. The disconnect is that "I like DST" can be taken in two distinct ways.
March 12th, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^
The purpose of DST is to sync the sunrise to as consistent a clock time as possible over the course of the year. If you plot sunrise and sunset times against Date you will see this effect. Basically civilization no longer uses the sun to judge time as we have mechanical and digital clocks. So we have set a generally accepted sunrise time and shift our clocks to try to match it. The bonus side effect is sunsets are later in the summer.
Staying on permanent DST is absurd because then half the year we would be on atlantic time and during the winter sunrise wouldn't be until 9AM. Then you'd have to move school start times later to adjust for kids biorhythyms and the later sunsets would be wasted.
March 12th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
That is a big concern, sure. But more schools are moving towards later start times anyways, so this would allow pace to be kept with that. Ann Arbor high schools I believe proposed that even this week.
And kids are already waking up in the dark and going to school the way it is now anyways. They're in a classroom until 9.
March 12th, 2015 at 12:13 PM ^
But you are missing the point. Schools are going to later start times so that there is more morning sunlight when kids are coming to school for safer transit, synced with biorhythyms, ettc. Moving to permanent DST would eliminate the gains from moving those start times back as you would delay the sunrise by 1 hour in the winter. So then there would be push to move the start times back even more.
March 12th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^
I guess. I still don't think that's a big deal. So schools start later. Again, students are in classes that time of the morning anyways. One potential pitfall with this could be inexperienced student drivers commuting to school in night or dawn light levels which could result in more accidents. But I still think the other benefits out weigh that.
Again in winter kids are already going to school in the dark. Keeping it on winter time permanently vs. summer time wouldn't really help that too much.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^
I wish they'd just keep it year round, which is kind of what we're heading towards (DST was expanded a few years ago). Most people want daylight after work, not before. This way you can have that and not have to deal with the internal clock issues twice a year.
Yes, I realize everyone could just go to work earlier, but the institutional inertia of the 9-5 is going to be hard to break.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:39 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 11:44 AM ^
What about the children? You move to permanent DST and you have 9AM sunrises in the winter. There is already a big push to move school start times back from ~7:30AM to ~8:30AM. You go to permanent DST and they will be pushing for ~9:30AM.
March 12th, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^
Ugh. Who cares about children?
March 12th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
Nobody. Those little creatures ruin everything. I could have been an astronaut, then I had to get a stupid family. Now look at me.
Let them deal with the short end of the stick once in a while.
March 12th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
One of my coworkers and her husband don't have children. They travel a lot and have money. Looks dope.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:12 AM ^
DST confuses my dog
March 12th, 2015 at 10:24 AM ^
Yeah man, I got a 10-month old and he was pissed about us changing his routine...
But I do like the sunlight!
March 12th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^
Anyone who is a parent of a young child(ren) knows the pain that accmpanies "springing forward" every March.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^
Are you kidding? My kid hasn't adjusted and is sleeping in past 8 AM every morning. This is the best sleep I've gotten in a year.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^
I should have qualified with " young children who are in daycare".
March 12th, 2015 at 12:11 PM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^
Nice to finally have the servers on Central Time
March 12th, 2015 at 10:20 AM ^
I've lived in South Korea since the Navarre era and haven't missed daylight savings time at all, but the kids walking to school in the dark that I've killed might have a different opinion.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:52 AM ^
I don't think they have the capacity to miss anything now.
March 12th, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^
Well that took a dark turn in a hurry
I like your style
March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
At work so I can't post the clip but the John Oliver bit about DST this week was pretty incredible. There are virtually no benefits associated with the change.
I'd prefer they just kept it like this all the time. More sunlight for after work if you are a 9-5er like me is great.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:17 AM ^
(air-five)
March 12th, 2015 at 10:17 AM ^
that on DVR last light, which is why I brought it up. I'm fine with it either way, standard time or DST, just stop changing it.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
*Saving not savings...popular mistake
March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
the general rule of thumb is that it takes about a day to recover for each time zone you pass when traveling. With DST, you're essentially "traveling" one time zone. Anyone who can't adjust to that is either lazy or lying to themselves that springing forward is too hard.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^
Seems to be pretty hard on the young ones at least.
March 12th, 2015 at 10:23 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 11:50 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 10:46 AM ^
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/29/us-heart-daylightsaving-idUSB…
You hear that all you extra people having heart attacks?? GoWings says you're lazy and you should get over it!
Cost-benefit analysis shows DST just isn't worth it. Keeping it around because "people aren't trying hard enough to get over it" is...not a good reason.
No... but I'd like to see an analysis of the group of people having a DST-related heart attack. How fit were they, did they have any other medical problems, etc?
It's not the most PC thing but I don't think it's unreasonable to say if someone has heart attack because of an hour change, they got other things going on!
March 12th, 2015 at 10:17 AM ^
March 12th, 2015 at 10:16 AM ^
I don't understand its point these days. Just keep the clocks how they are now. I hate the early night time during winter and late autumn.