OT - And Now Adrian Peterson in Trouble
Well both Deadspin and TMZ reporting AP is in trouble so in today's day and age these are actually quite legitimate sites for breaking news. Sounds like he hit his 11 year son with a switch. TMZ with the more inflammotry "child abuse" headline of course.
Fun times at NFL HQ.
Prepare for the litany of social media backlash... "back in my day a good switching was fine..."
Minnesota Vikings superstar Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse in North Montgomery County, TX ... TMZ Sports has learned. Sources connected to Peterson tell us ... the alleged victim is a male child from Minnesota who was visiting Adrian back in May at AP's home in Texas.
We're told the child returned home to his mother in Minn. who noticed injuries and took the child to a doctor. A short time later, the doctor contacted authorities in Texas to report Adrian.
Child Protective Services confirms they are working on a case involving Peterson and say the alleged victim is an 11-year-old boy.
Peterson was indicted in Montgomery County for reckless or negligent injury to a child, this according to MyFOX Houston 26.
Jay Glazer adds that Peterson has been cooperating with law enforcement, and will now have to turn himself in to authorities. Rapaport notes that Peterson testified before a grand jury weeks ago.
TMZ.
September 12th, 2014 at 6:15 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 6:15 PM ^
If an adult human being were to strike another adult human being violently with an object it would be an assault under any and all circumstances. "I'm related to him" or "it's okay, I'm charged with his wellbeing" would not be a valid defense. Our sensibilities are now "adjusting" or "evolving" ...whatever you prefer... to say "wait a sec, if that's true for an adult under any and all circumstances, how is that not also true for a child?"
Under this mindset, being a child of someone else's doesn't mean you "belong" to that person in a manner which somehow circumvents the fundamental right of one human being to not be assaulted by another. It's the idea that age shouldn't be determinant as to when an assault is acceptable in society and when it is not, as there are no"degrees" of acceptance; although there are apparently degrees of outrage, judging by the Ray Rice deal.
September 12th, 2014 at 7:22 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^
I am going to politely disagree with this - if you suspect that something like what AP has done to his kid is going on (i.e., straight up abuse), that IS your business and as a fellow human being interested in the welfare of the community at large, you should bring such things to the attention of the right people. I really don't care how others were raised, but that is NOT how you teach anyone (a child or an adult really, because modeling violence has done SO much for people) a "lesson" or, to extend this thought, to function well in society, no matter anyone's protestations that they "turned out OK".
September 12th, 2014 at 10:14 PM ^
To a certain extent, however, I agree with the poster you disagreed with (but perhaps I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt where I shouldn't be). I'm writing this on the assumption that he's talking about non abusive physical child discipline and that when he said "they're not the same" he was talking about non abusive child discipline being equated with assault and battery.
Bear in mind that I think everything you said just now, LSA, is correct. From what I can tell, what AD did is just flat out abuse and we, as a society, have a duty to stop him or any parent from doing something similar. A duty, not a choice. A moral (if anything can be) imperative to put a stop to behavior like that.
However, where abuse isn't involved, society should take a hike when it comes to raising a kid. There are very obvious exceptions, of course. As you stated child abuse but also, neglect, education when the parent opts for none at all, stuff like that.
Whether to use corporal punishment (in a manner that isn't abuse. Bruising, scars, blood are waaay past what should be acceptable) should be left up to the parent.
When I say corporal punishment, I'm talking about a swat on the rump.
Now everyone probably thinks I'm writing this because I'm in favor of corporal punishment, I'm actually not. I don't think it's needed to raise a kid. I sure as heck don't think what AD did was anything but abuse, either.
I wrote this because 1) I was bored and 2) I believe that certain areas should be beyond the reach of society and that was all nate was trying to say. I think he just said it poorly.
Since I'm not nate, though, who knows.
My next book will be out tomorrow after the game.
September 12th, 2014 at 9:02 PM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
I guess that's all AP was doing, exercising his right to "teach" his kid the way he sees fit. He apparently thought he knew the line between a "spanking" and a "beating" too. Now a judge will tell him if he got it right.
September 12th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^
me to go get my switch and bring it back to him. Then I would get torn up with the switch that left welps so I know how the kid feels. It is painful. Hard to sit down for a couple of days.
September 12th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 6:47 PM ^
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September 12th, 2014 at 7:02 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^
peterson seems like one of the 'good guys' in the nfl but this and last year's incident where his kid died... not by his hand but it was rather apparent he was not a real father to his kid.
nfl needs to get out of the morality business. they want a squeeky clean image but doesnt have the product to back it up. what rice and peterson did was wrong, but the term 'can of worms' comes to mind.
September 12th, 2014 at 9:11 PM ^
I can see what you're saying by "not a real father to his kid" but to be fair to AP he only found out 2 months prior to the child's death that he was the father.
I don't think the two incidents should be linked at all.
September 12th, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 7:26 PM ^
It's one thing to spank your child, it's another to use a weapon to do so. Had another person done this to AP's kid, that person would've been arrested for assault. If this is what your kid looks like after you "discipline" him, then you're doing it wrong.
That's AP's kid's leg. Note the multiple red marks all over the legs. This is not spanking, this is whipping. AP should join Ray Rice on the indefinitely suspended list.
And to people who say "well, in my parent's/grandparent's day, this was ok" I say you know what else was ok back then? Jim Crow laws. Times change, society evolves.
This is child abuse, pure and simple. If anyone taking care of my son ever left marks on him like that, they better hope the cops get to them first before I do.
September 12th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
The thing is, he was probably trying to teach his son a lesson the way he was taught lessons. We learn from our parents don't we??
I don't think he needed to use a switch. His bare hand would've done the job and probably kept him out of trouble.
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September 12th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^
"We learn from our parents don't we?"
Yep. I'm wagering this explains his seeming nonchalance ("it was just a whoopin'"). It's also what we call a "buss ass" in Jamaica; mother left welts on my legs with a belt on several occasions. Grandparents would use a belt as well. Welts lasted several days. Cannot recall a switch being used, but definitely know many who have been on the receiving end of one. Guess it's difficult to explain the thinking behind it; I spanked my son with a belt as well...at first. Ultimately questioned the effectiveness of this particular type of punishment, did quite a bit of research on it, and haven't done it since.
September 13th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^
I'm glad you questioned and researched. Many parents just do what was done to them. It makes no sense to me.
September 13th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
You hit the nail on the head - we learn from our parents, don't we? We can learn to be tough without raising a hand, and to teach our kids not to fear us, but to fear doing something wrong. That's not a bad thing to fear. But I would hate it if my kids feared me or my husband. My kids trust me and come to me when they have problems. I don't know if they would do that if they were scared I might get mad and whack them.
September 12th, 2014 at 7:52 PM ^
Dude seems like a good guy. You don't hear anything bad about him whatsoever.
September 12th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^
He did not once hit his kids. All of his kids turned out to be upstanding citizens. My dad slapped me once and he instantly regretted it. He was and still is not a believer in corporal punishment.
I had an argument this week about whippings with my co-workers. Most believe in parenting-by-fear. I found that to be disturbing.
September 12th, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 11:43 PM ^
Trotting out a lazy response of accusing me of self-righteousness ignores the fact that at the core of striking a child is fear. You are hitting the child to in order to associate the bad act with a painful response from you. It is the FEAR of said parental reaction that is being ingrained into the child's psyche.
Is it "bad parenting" to spank a child? No.But I do think that society has to find better ways of disciplining a child.
September 13th, 2014 at 1:13 AM ^
Regarding your point on fear parenting wouldn't kids also fear losing tv or the I-pad for a day? So if you use that as a punishment are you parenting by fear or are you establishing consequences for actions? It would be great if you could correct all behavior by sitting down with your kids, discussing their choices and indicating where you were disappointed with them. Of course successful parenting is far more complicated then that. I understand deciding that you will not spank your children. At the same time your statement implies that parents who do spank are lazy, cruel and just parenting by fear. I don't think that is an accurate description of most parents who spank.
September 13th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
Not only is it parenting by fear, but it perpetuates violence as a way to solve problems. Are we all not teaching our kids not to hit people? How can a parent say, "Don't hit your brother!" and then go and hit the kid himself? How is this teaching him not to hit? Modeling our behavior is the number one way our kids learn how to behave themselves. I'm curious about all these people who hit their kids: do they give boys and girls equal treatment?
September 13th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
To me, there is a difference between fearing your parents and fearing doing something wrong. My kids don't fear me, but they do fear being in trouble.
September 13th, 2014 at 1:51 AM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 9:31 PM ^
At first when I just read the charges, I thought to myself oh boy here we go again - a parent getting in trouble for disciplining their kid. I mean my parents whipped my ass just like most of you have stated. Go pick out the tree branch yourself and prepare yourself.
HOWEVER, the pictures tell a totally different story. I was evil little bastard growing up and got (and deserved) some amazing ass whoopings. BUT, I never had open wounds weeks later from the "beating". The worst I ever got it was with an extension cord. I couldn't sit for dinner, but I didn't need to visit an ER either. And, I didn't have open wounds that day nor a week later.
This will probably not end very well for AP. The pictures tell a story of waaaay too much force being used against a 4 year old. I know we need to let the legal system sort things out, but those pictures are bad - really bad for AP's case. I just hope the kid is ok and doesn't get dragged into the media. He's obviously suffered enough as is.
September 12th, 2014 at 9:14 PM ^
What Adrian Peterson laid on his son was no boating accident, that was outright child abuse. Dude has issues and ought to see some hard time while he gets counseling.
September 12th, 2014 at 9:24 PM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 10:31 PM ^
Additionally, Peterson would stuff leaves in his son's mouth while beating him and brags in a text message about "tearing that butt up".
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-pete…
The child also alleges that AP struck him in the face, but testimony from children is often unreliable.
Edit: But it's ok because my pappy used to tell me to fetch the switch that he would beat me with when we lived on the farm!
September 13th, 2014 at 12:40 PM ^
It's sad that Adrian Peterson had to go to such extreme measures to prove to his 4 year old son that he's in charge.
September 12th, 2014 at 10:35 PM ^
Don't hit kids and call it discipline. Do people not see the very lack of discipline and self restraint that would lead to hitting a child?
September 13th, 2014 at 3:25 AM ^
September 12th, 2014 at 10:41 PM ^
I got hit three times, and it left a raised welt...for like a day.To leave a gash for a freaking week after the punnishment is a bit much. And by abit, I mean way over the line.
September 12th, 2014 at 10:51 PM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 1:43 AM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
Anyone who condones hitting a child in any way is barbaric. And to do it under the guise of "teaching a lesson" is dishonest. Is there no other way to teach a lesson? I'm pretty disheartened to hear that people still think hitting their children is an appropriate punishment.
September 13th, 2014 at 2:22 AM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 3:24 AM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^
There may be reasonable disputes about low level corporal punishment. If you are inflicting real injury on a child, however, injury that leaves wounds still open a week later, injury that leads you to text things to the other parent like "felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh" and "Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I'm all tearing that butt up when needed!" you're not disciplining your child. You're violently lashing out at him because you're angry or frustrated.
Proper discipline requires self-discipline and self- control. Isn't that what we're trying to convey as parents? Peterson obviously lacked self-discipline and lost control of his actions if he injured a 4 year old to that extent. A 4 year old! There's no way this kind of beating could be instructional. This was domestic violence.
September 13th, 2014 at 3:22 AM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 9:07 AM ^
September 13th, 2014 at 9:44 AM ^
Hitting a child as a way to teach a lesson teaches him or her that hitting or other violent actions is a good way to get your point across. It instills fear more than it teaches.You can be tough on children without raising a hand, and instill discipline and respect, which I think is what we all want. Hitting is just a way for the hitter to release anger on the person he's angry at. If you think about it that way, it's actually pretty selfish.
September 13th, 2014 at 9:48 AM ^