doggdetroit

March 20th, 2017 at 2:45 PM ^

It could also be for the crushing 78-53 defeat at the hands of Michigan in the 2004 NIT semis.

Boner Stabone

March 20th, 2017 at 2:53 PM ^

That year of 2014/15 hoops was a nightmare.  We did not even make the NIT that year.  Injuries to Derrick and Caris as well as some inexcusable losses to Eastern and NJIT. 

That was one of the 3 bad years Beilein has had while at UM.  I totally have erased that season from my memory since it was such a disaster. 

GRBluefan

March 20th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

in my list of most disheartening Michigan sporting events I have ever attended:

1) Michigan State basketball pantsing a clueless Brian Ellerbee team at Crisler in 2001.  Wikipedia claims the final score was only 91-64, but it felt way worse.  3/4 of the arena was MSU fans, including pretty much the entire upper bowl.  Wikipedia also reminded me that they beat us 114-63 at th Breslin that year.  I did not attend that game.

2) Donovan McNabb unfortunately illustrating to us what the next 10 years of Michigan football would look like by running circles around us in 1998.  

2-tie) Oregon humiliating us in much the same fashion a decade later, as the fans booed our senior quarterback and the rest of the team off the field at halftime.  

M-Dog

March 20th, 2017 at 5:14 PM ^

I actually felt worse about the 2007 Oregon loss than the 2007 App State loss.

The App State game was the first game of the season on a beautiful day, Hart was gimpy, and our heads were up our ass.  That kind of stuff can happen with college kids.  Replay that game a thousand times and we never lose it again.

The Oregon loss was structural.  There was something seriously wrong that was not going to be fixed overnight.  Replay that game a thousand times and we lose it worse each time.

The future looked dark after that game.  (And it was.)

Solecismic

March 20th, 2017 at 7:09 PM ^

I know. The App St. game was entirely avoidable and came down to Carr and the defensive coaches not prepping for their astonishing speed. The Oregon game was an entire team simply giving up and getting thoroughly thrashed at home. Oregon could have scored 80 points that day. They did get it somewhat together after that game, but I think Oregon was the reason Carr had to go. Which of course led to he who cannot be named.

M-Dog

March 20th, 2017 at 8:35 PM ^

That was one of the reasons that we were so excited about Rich Rod at the time.

We could not solve the Spread to save our lives, and now we were going to be coached by the man widely credited with inventing it.

There is a lot of revisionist history about Rich Rod after the fact, but when he came in here there was a lot of justifiable excitement.

We were going to be the Oregon east of the Mississippi.

Solecismic

March 21st, 2017 at 1:30 AM ^

I'd say RichRod did a lot to pioneer the zone read quarterback option out of the spread, but that's just one of many spread variations from a tree that was planted decades earlier. The question at the time was whether a major college quarterback could handle the pounding of running the ball 15-20 times per game and still hold up as a passer. And that question was being asked in the five or so minutes we had to digest this hire after the Les Miles hire was botched (bringing up the question of whether seven years of yeesh was worth getting from point A to point Harbaugh). Was RichRod's innovation from the spread going to work in a major conference? Could he coach defense (or find someone at least competent and be willing to give him the resources)? His quarterbacks ran about as much as they threw. Oregon didn't do that with Chip Kelly. The other question is what he would do with Carr's players. Granted, Carr dropped the ball with recruiting at the very end, but Steven Threet? Tate Forcier? These weren't quarterbacks who could execute the spread read option run. Yet RichRod went 3-and-god-damned-9 trying anyway. Why couldn't he do what Hoke did, or Harbaugh has been doing? Coach with what you have. Watching the Toledo game in 2008 was infuriating. Any trace of wanting to give RichRod the benefit of the doubt should have disappeared after that game. He simply can't pass the Bum Phillips test. The only revisionist history is discounting the heaps of worry over a trend hire. We were shouted down with memories of losing to spread offenses, but no one answered the question of why someone who helped create one variation on the spread would necessarily know or even care about trying to defend all the other variations or anything else. Granted hindsight is on my side here. We saw RichRod put up yet another 3-and-9 with the 118th-best defense in the FBS this season. But there was opposition at the time. Unfortunately, there really wasn't a solid "get this guy instead" argument. All we had was "Bill Martin is really screwing this up." Not a great position of strength. So I get it.

blueblueblue

March 20th, 2017 at 5:01 PM ^

Weird example. So you wanted to take revenge on your ex wife by providing less money for your kid(s), and lost in court because at the least she had compelling arguments as to why you should indeed continue to provide for your kids at least at the same level. Not only is this awkward, uncomfortable, and questionable, the connection with Oregon wanting revenge is about as clear as mud. 

charblue.

March 20th, 2017 at 7:52 PM ^

about losing? It's like being pissed over losing an AAU contest from the past. Wow, really. Yeah, so you want to win because the team in front of you is good and has beaten you before? Like losing in December two years ago is such a relevant cause for driving your team's push for glory two years ago? Whatever. I would love to have Michigan beat Carolina or South Carolina. But alas, that bracket can wait. Whatever motivates you.

docwhoblocked

March 20th, 2017 at 9:16 PM ^

I still have bad vibes from some high school football losses from 50 years ago and a ton of YMCA basketball league playoff losses from the past three decades.  One trial learning under duress goes deep into the brain.  I missed the second of a one and one at the end of a game that made it go into overtime 20 years ago and still practice free throws every time I shoot around in a gym with that pain in mind even though I will never shoot another meaningful free throw the rest of my life.