NIT Edition Snowflakes
We had the #1 Kenpom offense two years running under Beilein. I wouldn't call it a gimmick.
What bothers me now is that we can't execute said offense well at all now.
When you can't execute an offense for 2 years straight, adapt to what you got or recruit people that can.
Beilein can't seem to do either.
Given how fundamentally deficient we are, I don't know if there's any offense this team could execute consistently.
That's what gets me - this team can no longer execute the basic fundamentals. And the assistants absolutely bear some responsibility for that. Assistants are usually the ones who work on individual skill development. They don't get a free pass when the team constantly dribbles off its foot, throws passes to nobody, doesn't move without the ball, can't shoot layups, can't shoot free throws, doesn't communicate or rotate on D, and on and on.
This offense is based on timing and hard cuts. Walton has never run it well. However, the offense runs much better when there in one dominant big man. He had one at WVU and one here. Until he gets another...
you mean the offense most nba teams try to emulate? you know shit.
I think you'd be pretty disappointed by the lack of drama if you were a fly on the wall. He's not going to feel heat unless we have another bad season next year.
Diary?
Beilein is 100% not going anywhere THIS season. And he doesn't deserve to.
My opinion:
He's not on the hot seat yet.
If next year is at the same level or worse (or just very slightly, marginally better), then Beilien deserves the hot seat next off season. If he follows that up with another mediocre season, the man would 100% deserve to be fired.
Repeat posts are rarely worth repeat readings.
John Beilein's probably coaching Michigan next season, but AD Warde Manuel may have to consider moving Michigan men's hoops in another direction. Manuel saw his UConn teams win the 2014 NCAA championship and beat Michigan 74-60 when both Caris LeVert and Spike Albrecht played on November 25, 2015. (I note that LeVert led Michigan with 21 points and Albrecht played only four minutes in that game.)
Beilein's the oldest men's hoops coach in the Big Ten at 63. His winning percentage as a head coach is lower at Michigan than it was at LeMoyne, Richmond and West Virginia; and he gets his teams to the NCAA Tournament 10 times in 34 seasons (a bit less than 30% of the time.)
Beilein's record of getting teams to the NCAA Tournament, based on the percentage of seasons when his teams get there, doesn't compare favorably to his Big Ten contemporaries, Tom Izzo, Thad Matta, Tom Crean and Fran McCaffrey.
* UPDATE: Early this morning, CBS's Jerry Palm wrote that he would be taking Michigan out of his NCAA Bracket, after having them in his "Last Four In" before the Wolverines lost at home to Iowa to give them a record of 3-11 against the Top 100 teams in the RPI -- but 3-7 against the Top 25. LINK
comparing mccaffery to beilein this year? JB was missing his best player and best guy off the bench. how about reversing that. take uthof and iowa's #1 guy off the bench and see what the result of those games would be.
It ain't over 'til it's over.
I felt like we were watching Tommy Amaker all over again.
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And the reason they were out of reach was that we'd commit really dumb fundamental mistakes on too many possessions. That's been true of us lately.
Injuries I understand, but the failure to teach these players defense is not defensible. I think a look at the staff is in justified.
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Coach B with some bad injury luck. I hope he can put it together next year, but I honestly don't see this roster making huge leaps next year.
Indeed. When you recrruit as poorly as he does, you can't afford to lose your best player. The dropoff is steep.
Understood. But our standard at Michigan is Big Ten championships and Final Fours. As it should be. We've been there.
He is not recruiting at a level to attain that and sustain that.
We would be apoplectic if Harbaugh was recruiting at the same level.
The problem is that when you go a notch deeper you realize that he recruited a 67,148,179,218 class where they all signed early, leaving no room to get in on a Top 50 player later on; and although we obviously all hope they wind up being great players, that really shouldn't be accepted at Michigan.
The other problem is that we collectively seem to have a hard time quantifying just what this "dirty" recruiting atmosphere means when it comes to our recruiting expectations; we have 3 Top 50 players now, we were in on Brown and Battle, what level of player should we expect Michigan to be able to get without paying?
Indiana, Purdue and Marquette as examples all have Top 20 players, do we think they're all cheating? Or are those players exceptions? And if they are, shouldn't we also be able to go after certain players at that level? I'm not sure how well understood this narrative has been--if we can get say, 20-30% of the Top 50 without paying, we should certainly be trying to do that each year.
AND another one of your best players. Who's better than Spike on this team? I'd say Irvin and that's it.
what team doesn't miss a bit when they lose their best fucking player!?!?! name one.
"miss a bit" != NIT.
At least Aubrey Dawkins has better upside.
On a side note, I've never seen a team start a game so slow so consistently in all my life
Dawkins's defense is horrific. I don't know why he's such a matador out there, but whomever he's guarding goes off every game.
We must be watching a different team, because their lack of effort all year has been really frustrating. This game is for the tournament, and you come out and get punched in the mouth??
I'm not proud of them. Whether it's coaching, players, talent, some combination, this was supposed to be one of his deeper teams, and they flat out sucked.
Do you think they don't want to win? If they quit tonight, they wouldn't have made it a game down the stretch there. Not to mention this usual horrid officiating screwing us at every single turn.
Caris being out derailed the entire season. Again.
Duncan Robinson was hot when LeVert was still playing. Because people had more than one person to key on.
The fact that not one player from the 2012 recruiting class took the court on senior day tells you all you need to know. Whether it be early departures or injuries, we have just gotten zero breaks whatsoever.
Bullshit call in the NCAA title game, Mitch being suspended a year on top of his injury that kept him out almost the entire 2013-14 season, injuries to Spike, Caris, Walton, Irvin.
Same goes for the recruiting trail. We could have Tyus Battle and Jaylen Brown on the same team next year.
He made a play. He was the national player of the year. They do those kinds of things.
On a great screen from Mitch, as well.
Fine. I still have a list a mile long that goes back to the 1920s.
All season like they did in the last 10 minutes of this game. What I saw was a team that went through the motions and they got what they deserved.
You know what, I'll be that guy. This team got WAXED by SMU and UCONN with a healthy LeVert. They lost to NJIT and Eastern with a healthy LeVert. Look, the kid is a very solid player. But he's not a world beater. Maybe the team sneaks into the dance with him healthy, but he doesn't make them a championship contender.
2013 was three seasons ago. Time to move on.
Could have. Could have. Didn't.
"Tell me this team played with fire all season like they did in the last 10 minutes of this game."
This is exactly why those comments about heart and grit and wanting it are usually really stupid. Michigan's little run there started because Iowa couldn't handle the 1-3-1. But sure, it was probably just that Michigan got a fire lit under them.
That's what concerns me. The team played hard all night long. They played with heart. You can't take that away from them.
The problem is that they just don't have the horsepower to compete in the top half of the Big Ten no matter how hard they play. That's a lot harder to solve.