New World University Rankings Out - UM 25th overall and 13th in North America
Title says it all, and I know these are arbitrary, etc., but still nice to see us do well. Basically, with the whole world thrown in, we're 25, between Hopkins and some school in California, and the number one US public school.
We've dropped a couple spots this year overall, but it seems like that's actually because they're ranking some Asian schools more highly, and in North America we're still as high as ever.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-ra…
Sorry I miscounted originally, we're 12th in NA.
And the schools ahead of us are:
- 1 MIT
- 3 Stanford
- 5 Harvard
- 6 Cal Tech
- 10 U Chicago
- 13 U Penn
- 16 Princeton
- 18 Yale
- 20 Cornell
- 22 Columbia
- 24 Johns Hopkins
- 25 Michigan
Big Ten (overall):
- (25) Michigan
- (32) Northwestern
- (83-tie) Wisconsin
- (85) Illinois
- (93) Penn State
- (128-tie) Purdue
- (140) Ohio State
- (159) Michigan State
- (164-tie) Maryland
- (185-tie) Minnesota
- (267) Rutgers
- (339) Indiana
- (467-tie) Iowa
- (651-700) Nebraska
Notre Dame is way down at #243 (tie). Good to see Wayne State ahead of most of the SEC.
My scorching hot take is that we need better academic rivals. Sort of how the Ivies are all a bit dumb and arbitrary, but tend to rank in the same range (except for Brown lol), I'd love to see us get into a rivalry with Berkeley or Cornell or Hopkins or something.
The ranking of Illinois and Indiana surprise me, Illinois being higher than I'd have expected, and Indiana much lower that I thought.
Otherwise, it all seems about right.
We give Illinois a lot of crap, but they're an academically excellent school. USNWR also has U of I in the top 50 overall, behind only NW, UM, and UW in the Big Ten.
Yeah, they're really strong in the hard sciences.
Why is Notre Dame so low on this ranking? I was under the impression that they're often overrated academically, but by that much?
So I heard once that when USNWR started these rankings, schools like Michigan were placing "too high", so they rejiggered their rankings to basically include "Harvardness" as a criteria. IE a school like Notre Dame which is small with a large endowment would do really well relative to us, but in the world of research they are not particularly good, especially in harder sciences, which I guess would be a large basis of these international rankings.
This is my understanding; these rankings emphasize research and publishing output. Funding these days is heavily tilted towards the sciences for both. Notre Dame is not a large research university. It’s not exactly a liberal arts school either, but like high quality liberal arts schools ND does not show well by these metrics.
They have a low Academic Reputation and are really hampered by the very low Int'l Faculty Ratio and Int'l Student Ratio. My suspicion is that the low academic reputation comes from ND being largely focused on US students/faculty/research and has a relatively small presence on the global stage. This is why they rate so highly for USNWR National University Rankings, but not so much in these world uni rankings.
This study has ND at #243, USNWR's Global University Rankings has ND at #284, Times Higher Education has them at #183, and Round University Ranking says #118. The 247 Composite would have them as a mid-range 4* at about #207 overall. Very good, but not elite.
I'm surprised to see ND that low. I thought that at least their business school was supposed to be very good to extremely good.
I'm kinda shocked Moo U is ahead of Minny, Iowa, and Indiana.
Suck it, NW & ND purists! So much for your precious "private schools are better" mentality!
I'm no Notre Dame fan, but I question the entire methodology if you end up with ND all the way down at 243.
Says the guy who probably didn't bother to understand the methodology.
Notre Dame seems to be weighed down by the following
International student ratio & International faculty ratio – A highly international university creates a number of benefits. It demonstrates the ability to attract quality students and staff from across the world, and it implies a highly global outlook. Strong international institutions provide a multinational environment, building international sympathies and global awareness.
Like, ok. But that feels like a very touchy-feely reason to weigh down a school's score. Does that really reflect how valuable a degree from ND (or any other school) is? Eh.
Notre Dame is an odd case though - consistently very high in the national rankings and pretty meh in the global rankings.
Yeah, there are a few like that. Brown, WashU, a few others.
I polled my children once and was named their favorite parent.... of course that poll was conducted right after I told them I had three tickets to see the Wings play in Buffalo.
Sounds like you're ready for a career in politics to me!
Do not get me started on Nanyang Tech and U Edinburgh being ranked so highly - talk about the media just looking at the front of the diploma and not the back!
Anyway, glad to see UM being rightfully recognized as one of the top schools in the world.
I wonder if Big Ten schools lose points because non-sports fans look at Nanyang Tech and U Edinburgh, and then, seeing a "Big 10" with 14 teams, decide it's an innumerate group.
I think it's more that the University of Edinburgh is a world-class school that's academically far superior to Sparty or OSU.
You joke, but the first thought I had was that nobody I've met from China thinks Peking University is better than Tsinghua.
I always heard Peking was Harvard and Tsinghua was Yale, FWIW
To me, it is #1....but this still looks good
Yeah, no one tell James Earl Jones.
We better get our NIL game going if we're going to catch MIT and their bagmen.
It would be quite a project to mess with the University of Chicago's squash team.
I'm here for the hubris!
Title does not say it all. #1 public university in the USA, for the 7th consecutive year.
Actually, Michigan has been the #1 public university for 205 consecutive years (since 1817), despite what these rankings say.