New World University Rankings Out - UM 25th overall and 13th in North America

Submitted by maizeonblueaction on June 15th, 2022 at 9:29 AM

Title says it all, and I know these are arbitrary, etc., but still nice to see us do well. Basically, with the whole world thrown in, we're 25, between Hopkins and some school in California, and the number one US public school.

We've dropped a couple spots this year overall, but it seems like that's actually because they're ranking some Asian schools more highly, and in North America we're still as high as ever.

 

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-ra…

Seth

June 15th, 2022 at 9:46 AM ^

Big Ten (overall):

  1. (25) Michigan
  2. (32) Northwestern
  3. (83-tie) Wisconsin
  4. (85) Illinois
  5. (93) Penn State
  6. (128-tie) Purdue
  7. (140) Ohio State
  8. (159) Michigan State
  9. (164-tie) Maryland
  10. (185-tie) Minnesota
  11. (267) Rutgers
  12. (339) Indiana
  13. (467-tie) Iowa
  14. (651-700) Nebraska

Notre Dame is way down at #243 (tie). Good to see Wayne State ahead of most of the SEC.

maizeonblueaction

June 15th, 2022 at 11:34 AM ^

So I heard once that when USNWR started these rankings, schools like Michigan were placing "too high", so they rejiggered their rankings to basically include "Harvardness" as a criteria. IE a school like Notre Dame which is small with a large endowment would do really well relative to us, but in the world of research they are not particularly good, especially in harder sciences, which I guess would be a large basis of these international rankings.

potomacduc

June 15th, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^

This is my understanding; these rankings emphasize research and publishing output. Funding these days is heavily tilted towards the sciences for both. Notre Dame is not a large research university. It’s not exactly a liberal arts school either, but like high quality liberal arts  schools ND does not show well by these metrics. 

oriental andrew

June 15th, 2022 at 12:53 PM ^

They have a low Academic Reputation and are really hampered by the very low Int'l Faculty Ratio and Int'l Student Ratio. My suspicion is that the low academic reputation comes from ND being largely focused on US students/faculty/research and has a relatively small presence on the global stage. This is why they rate so highly for USNWR National University Rankings, but not so much in these world uni rankings. 

This study has ND at #243, USNWR's Global University Rankings has ND at #284, Times Higher Education has them at #183, and Round University Ranking says #118. The 247 Composite would have them as a mid-range 4* at about #207 overall. Very good, but not elite. 

lhglrkwg

June 15th, 2022 at 3:50 PM ^

Notre Dame seems to be weighed down by the following

International student ratio & International faculty ratio – A highly international university creates a number of benefits. It demonstrates the ability to attract quality students and staff from across the world, and it implies a highly global outlook. Strong international institutions provide a multinational environment, building international sympathies and global awareness. 

Like, ok. But that feels like a very touchy-feely reason to weigh down a school's score. Does that really reflect how valuable a degree from ND (or any other school) is? Eh.

Notre Dame is an odd case though - consistently very high in the national rankings and pretty meh in the global rankings.

Booted Blue in PA

June 15th, 2022 at 10:05 AM ^

I polled my children once and was named their favorite parent....  of course that poll was conducted right after I told them I had three tickets to see the Wings play in Buffalo.

 

 

bronxblue

June 15th, 2022 at 10:28 AM ^

Do not get me started on Nanyang Tech and U Edinburgh being ranked so highly - talk about the media just looking at the front of the diploma and not the back!

Anyway, glad to see UM being rightfully recognized as one of the top schools in the world.