With the new playoff format do you think there's any way USC/UCLA back out of Big Ten and/or Texas/USC of the SEC? Does this put a halt to super conferences?
I had this thought yesterday and held off until today.
I was very excited by the new playoff news because even though it's not necessarily fair (12 best teams aren't gonna make it because of automatic qualifiers) - it preserves a lot of the tradition of college football in that it disincentives making supper conferences given the top six conference champions are protected.
Do you think there's any way this will prevent the new additions to the major conferences? This may be a stupid question given all four are hurting themselves by moving to their respective conferences already, but wasn't sure if this would have an impact on their moves in any way.
September 4th, 2022 at 2:59 PM ^
Utah, the preseason PAC-12 favorites just went down to Florida and got beat by an unranked Gator team. Oregon, a 'National Brand" PAC-12 team went down to Georgia [lookin' for a soul to steal] and got beat worse than the Devil did by Johnny playing Fire on the Mountain. Outside of the Conference Champion, when conferences are looking at those #9, #10, #11 and #12 playoff spots what makes anyone think that a PAC-12 team is going to jump someone from the Big Ten or SEC for those spots?
September 4th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^
Notre Dame? Yes. Or at least delay their joining as they play wait-and-see if new format maintains their fortunes.
Everyone else? Probably no effect.
September 4th, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^
There's only one answer to the question OP.
September 4th, 2022 at 3:16 PM ^
Ain't got time to bleed...
September 4th, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^
Money is why USC and UCLA are joining the big ten
September 4th, 2022 at 3:04 PM ^
No it only increases the odds of it happening because a loss even two might not hurt you
September 4th, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^
This is all just temporary. The 2 super conferences are going to expand to about 48 programs in total, break off, and create their own playoff.
September 4th, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^
Um.... that horse is already out of the barn.
September 4th, 2022 at 3:39 PM ^
I think it is unlikely, but if it did happen, it would be Texas switching to the B1G, where they would likely make more money, especially if ND joins, than in the SEC with easier access to the playoff. I don’t think it would happen, but that’s the one that would be most likely.
September 4th, 2022 at 4:21 PM ^
No, bigger conferences are inevitable. Everyone knew that playoff expansion was coming - just a question was exactly when and by how many teams.
No, Too much money to be made by too many vested parties and for once, this includes the players themselves. Now that there is a slice of the pie for them, a bigger pie should in theory help them.
No, The type of contracts and arrangements to set up make it unlikely some institution will back out. The Big Ten may add one or two more teams and that is it - they are nearly the max and are the first big coast to coast conference.
September 4th, 2022 at 4:36 PM ^
As more teams go to the Big 10 and SEC, I doubt they will want to continue the system with 6 auto bids and 6 at large.
I think we will eventually just have the top 12 from the CFP standings, meaning the Big 10 and SEC will each get 4-5 and everyone else will get scraps
September 4th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^
I would be fine with that. Dump the conference title games played in domed NFL stadiums.
September 4th, 2022 at 4:37 PM ^
The better question is how many times will the format be changed by 2026 as conference dissolve
September 4th, 2022 at 6:11 PM ^
Sends a message to ND that byes go to highest seed CONFERENCE champions. If you want a chance at a bye, join a conference
September 4th, 2022 at 7:05 PM ^
Irish are frauds. Bright lights come on and they disappear. Load up on the cupcake ACC teams so they can play on the big stage
September 4th, 2022 at 6:22 PM ^
They’re making 9 figures a year to play in the B1G…hell no they don’t back out.
September 4th, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^
Unfortunately (and especially in the days of NIL), it's all about the money. USC isn't going to back out. Is the UC Board of Governors thing still an issue?
September 4th, 2022 at 6:51 PM ^
No. Conference realignment is all about one thing and one thing only: money. If maximizing a team's chances of making the CFP were in any way a factor in these realignment shenanigans, Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't have joined the SEC where they will have to compete against 3 or 4 other bluebloods.
September 4th, 2022 at 10:09 PM ^
I had this thought too, but the more I think about it, the more I lean that it won't change anything. Those schools will make more money in their new conferences and if they think they're good enough, they'll have solid shots at at-large bids. I also think that once the "super conferences" are established, the committee will drop from six conference champions to four (SEC, B1G, ACC, and B12/P12-whichever survives). Something I saw that I find interesting is that, based on the last few years' CFP rankings, there would be three-plus B1G and/or SEC teams in the playoff every season. We could easily see four or five teams from one conference in the playoff in a single year. So I don't see this being a problem for the teams that are moving.
TL;DR conferences could have a lot of teams in as at-large bids, so I don't think this'll be an issue.
September 4th, 2022 at 10:57 PM ^
My take, after expansion settles, B1G and SEC eventually split into 4 divisions each. Winner of each division automatically qualifies, and we have 4 at large bids. No other conferences are eligible because the B1G and SEC split from the NCAA.
September 4th, 2022 at 11:50 PM ^
Wait, so your take is somehow that automatic qualification is unfair?
That’s… I don’t even have words for that. I mean, you’re right that the system isn’t fair, but you’re wrong about the reason.
The fair system — which will never happen — would include automatic qualification for each conference, like the NCAA basketball tournament. At-large bids would ideally be computed formulaically, like is done in every sport except the NCAA basketball tournament and the CFP. And scheduling would be centralized, so you couldn’t game the system by scheduling crappy games (see: Alabama, or, :sigh: this year’s Michigan).
What’s unfair is a system where you can win every game on your schedule and not win the championship. (Unless you’re Scott Frost, and then you play nobody and claim a championship anyway. Hey, it worked in ‘97…)
And, to answer your question: no, this doesn’t send UCLA or USC back to the Pac-12. I think the other answers have been pretty conclusive about why; it never had anything to do with playoff access.
September 5th, 2022 at 11:58 AM ^
It’s not about the playoffs, it’s about the $$$
September 5th, 2022 at 11:35 PM ^
UCLA is not a playoff contender, nor do they seem serious about being one in football. This about financing their dept. USC probably knows that when they have it going they will beat anyone, and in LA, anything short of that doesn’t matter for attendance.