NCAA Age records - Baylor Avg = 22

Submitted by BoFan on March 30th, 2021 at 12:02 AM

The age creep in basketball is too much.  There should be a limit on how many years you can hold a kid back just so they can out perform their “peers”. Baylor’s starting 5 are 24, 23, 22, 22 and 20.  And that assumes Flo Thamba’s birthday is really Jan 1, 1999 as listed on one site and not older. 

BoFan

March 30th, 2021 at 12:07 AM ^

It seems 22 is normal for a Senior these days.  But 24 is getting up there and they have 23 and 22 year old Juniors if the source I used is correct. 

In soccer they force you to play in your age group. 

bronxblue

March 30th, 2021 at 12:11 AM ^

They've been letting BYU get away with this for years.  Plus they have the bonus of "dad strength" which is the best natural strength enhancer on the market.

xtramelanin

March 30th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

sure, like most of us. i guess if there's any difference its that i didn't change or notch it down when we started getting blessed with children.  also, i said 'aggressor' at least somewhat tongue in cheek, but really it's more of an 'initiator' to get things going:  objectives for the day, work, school, exercise, etc.  i am fond of saying 'more is caught than taught' as it relates to children.  in other words it's even more important what you actually do as opposed to what you say.  are you walking the walk or simply talking the talk.  one is likely to be far more effective than the other. 

Blue Vet

March 30th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^

I used the word "aggressor" because you had, but figured from what you write that your approach was less aggression than more generally being in charge. What you aptly describe as initiator.

Meanwhile, I was talking about weariness b/c I recall how tired I got trying to keep up with a toddler's energy—the naps were for me as much as them—and running with older ones.

SonOfAnAlumnus

March 30th, 2021 at 11:49 AM ^

What's the timeline for your parenting book being published?

"More is caught than taught" is a very true statement. I know for me, the doing WITH my dad taught me more than all the words that he said. Whether it was working on the car, house, or in ministry, WITH him was where I learned. Present and active parenting is becoming more and more scarce these days. 

xtramelanin

March 30th, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^

i consider walking beside my children a privilege which i do not lightly esteem.   and if you/your dad were in ministry then you take the words of PS 127 to heart:  like arrows of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth.  happy is the man whose quiver is full, for he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate.  

Clarence Boddicker

March 30th, 2021 at 12:12 AM ^

The idea of Baylor basketball in the Final Four sickens me because of the shittiness of their programs in general. They're willing to cover up rape and murder so long as their teams win. Fuck Baylor.

Tunneler

March 30th, 2021 at 8:54 AM ^

The Baylor University basketball scandal occurred in the early 2000s, when Baylor University's men's basketball program was investigated and punished for numerous infractions by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). The scandal broke out after the 2003 murder of Baylor basketball player Patrick Dennehy. Dennehy's teammate Carlton Dotson pleaded guilty to the murder and was sentenced to a 35-year prison term.

Shortly after Dennehy's initial disappearance, Baylor and the NCAA began investigations into multiple allegations, ranging from drug use among players to improper payments to players by the coaching staff. Baylor self-imposed punishments, which the NCAA augmented to include extended probation for the school through 2010, the elimination of one year of non-conference play, and a ten-year show-cause penalty on resigned head coach Dave Bliss. The sanctions so crippled the basketball program that they didn't have another winning season until 2008. It is one of the harshest penalties ever imposed on a Division I program that didn't include the NCAA's "death penalty".

Sambojangles

March 30th, 2021 at 11:17 AM ^

The coaches involved were banished from ever coaching big-time college basketball again. The murder is in prison. The surviving team served multiple years of punishment and probation. I'm not sure what events that happened at the school when the current players were toddlers (even if they're in their 20s now) has to do with the current team. It's actually a pretty cool redemption story - Scott Drew took over then, stayed through hard times, and finally breaks through to the Final Four after nearly 20 years.

There is obviously a difference in magnitude between murder and illegally laundering money to players, but Michigan, of course, had its own scandal that resolved at around the same time. As fans we should know that it's best to accept the NCAA punishment, make sure staff and students that did wrong are disassociated, and allow a program to make a fresh start. If every program that ever had any kind of wrongdoing was given a permanent death penalty, there would be very few left. 

Tunneler

March 30th, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^

In the summer of 2003, reports surfaced that Dennehy and Dotson were concerned about their safety. The pair had purchased two pistols and a rifle and practiced firing them at a farm north of Waco. Dennehy's friend, Daniel Okopnyi, said he spoke on the phone with Dennehy on June 14, and Dennehy said that he was worried about threats made to Dotson by two teammates.[6] Dennehy also indicated that he and Dotson would be at a party the following day, at which neither appeared.[6] Over the next few days, there were indications that something had gone wrong: Dennehy's mother and stepfather, Valorie and Brian Brabazon, were concerned that they had received no calls on Father's Day,[7] and Dennehy's roommate, Chris Turk, returned from an out-of-town trip to find that Dennehy's dogs had not been fed in days. The last time that Dennehy had been seen was June 12.[8] On June 19, the Brabazons filed a report with the Waco Police Department that Dennehy was missing. On June 25, Dennehy's Chevrolet Tahoe was found in the parking lot of a shopping mall in Virginia BeachVirginia, with its license plates removed, allegedly by Dotson.[7]

An affidavit filed on June 23, which was unsealed on June 30, seeking a search warrant for Dennehy's computer says that an informant in Delaware told police that Dotson, who by now was at home in Maryland, told a cousin that he had shot and killed Dennehy during an argument while firing guns in the Waco area. On July 21, Dotson was charged with Dennehy's murder and taken into custody in Maryland. The search for Dennehy continued until July 25, when a badly decomposed body was found in a gravel pit near Waco and was taken to Dallas for an autopsy. While Dotson said he felt compelled to speak with the FBI,[9] it is unknown whether his report led police to Dennehy's body. The following day, medical examiners identified the body as Dennehy's. On July 30, his death was ruled a homicide after a preliminary autopsy report showed that Dennehy died of gunshot wounds to the head. Upon discovery of Dennehy's remains, the head and body were discovered in separate locations. Whereas sensationalized news reports indicated Dennehy was decapitated, investigators believe this occurrence is most likely the result of scavenging desert animals.[7] On August 7, a memorial service was held for Dennehy in San Jose, California.[10]

The men's story was subsequently made into a Showtime documentary called Disgraced.[11]

Clarence Boddicker

March 30th, 2021 at 7:08 PM ^

Let me introduce you to Baylor's football program:
 

The unraveling at Baylor culminated in the firing of beloved head football coach Art Briles, the resignation of athletics director Ian McCaw, and the demotion and eventual resignation of university president Ken Starr in mid-2016. The chain of events that led to the drastic changes at the university was a long one.

Ahmad Dixon, the first four-star recruit Briles brought to Baylor after he was hired in 2007, was accused of domestic violence in 2011 and sexual assault a year later. In 2012 and 2013, five different Baylor football players or recruits would be named in police reports alleging sexual assault or domestic violence. In 2014, linebacker Tevin Elliot was convicted of raping a female Baylor student. The following year, in August 2015, defensive end Samuel Ukwuachu stood trial for sexually assaulting another female Baylor athlete.

Ukwuachu’s conviction became a national headline, dominating the news for days leading up to the 2015 season. In response, Starr retained law firm Pepper Hamilton to investigate the university’s practices around sexual assault. Baylor’s Title IX coordinator, Patty Crawford, also began looking into old cases. A steady trickle of media reports showed that the problems within Baylor’s football program ran much deeper than a pair of defensive ends. In late 2016, Baylor’s Board of Regents told the Wall Street Journal that 19 rapes had been committed by 17 football players since 2011, while a lawsuit filed by a woman who said she was raped by a Baylor football player claimed 52 acts of rape carried out by 31 players. The lawsuit was later settled.

Other students—and other arrests—indicated that the problems at Baylor extended well beyond football. Baylor administrators retained a high-powered crisis PR firm and testified before the Texas legislature while students began organizing to protest their university’s inaction around the issue. And then, in May 2016, the school ousted Briles, McCaw, and Starr.

Baylor never published a full report from Pepper Hamilton. The school’s administrators say no such report exists—only a slim 13-page summary of the investigation released as a Finding of Fact, along with a list of more than 100 recommendations. The university says those recommendations have been fully implemented, and that the changes they signify, along with the new leadership, means the Baylor of 2018 is not the Baylor of 2015 and before. In one statement, Baylor officials said: “Since May 2016, Baylor has taken unprecedented actions and implemented significant infrastructure, training, education, and policies and procedures under new leadership in response to the issue of past and alleged interpersonal violence involving our campus community.”

 

https://deadspin.com/how-baylor-happened-1828372303 

Um1994

March 30th, 2021 at 12:55 AM ^

Hunter is 20 years old.  According to the OP, that would make him the youngest in the starting 5 for Baylor.  Sure a 20 year old freshman is older than your average college freshman, so he is maybe the age of a soph or JR.  However, I don't think Hunter is going to be a 23 or 24 year old college player - he will be in the league by then.  Either way, I don't know how much of a difference these ages make.

budg man

March 30th, 2021 at 12:41 AM ^

For comparison- our team

Smith -23

Eli - 22

Johns - 21

Hunter -20

Franz - 19

add in - 

Davis - 22

Brown - 22

so really not too different.  

 

allezbleu

March 30th, 2021 at 1:06 AM ^

I've got no problem as long as they're normal college student age. 22/23 is pretty normal age for a senior. 24 is old but maybe they redshirted or had an injury year. Or they're in grad school. 

uferfan

March 30th, 2021 at 6:49 AM ^

I really didn't have a problem with Robbie Hummel completing his eligibility at age 36, or Greg Oden only playing one year in college as a 41 year old freshman; so I don't see this is a big deal either.