Myles Hinton's transfer story
This story just seems boggling to me. There's the fabled Michigan Difference (called arrogance by our nemeses) and then there's a Stanford student-athlete being told their classes don't meet Michigan's criteria and won't be accepted. That's next level arrogance, no? Please set me straight someone...
https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/04/myles-hinton-university-…
September 5th, 2023 at 1:01 PM ^
"Hard to believe any class at Sanford wouldn't be accepted."
If there is no equivalent class at Michigan - they won't accept it.
You will also get the U of M credit level - if you took algebra I somewhere it is 4 credits, but it's only 3 credits at Michigan - you're getting 3 credits.
...and no matter if it was particle physics taught personally by a Nobel laureate - they aren't taking more than 60 credits.
September 5th, 2023 at 12:43 PM ^
I really hope it's not the case that there's someone with power over LSA admissions in particular who has it out for athletes. It can certainly seem that way at times when we keep hearing these stories. There are other schools that have equivalent or even higher bars for admission than Michigan that don't seem to have this problem with such consistency
September 5th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^
Here are the classes from Stanford that don't transfer. Which ones of these should have transferred?
September 5th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^
A few of the math/science classes might be overly strict (it does suck that you could have classes that cover AC and BD, but not get any credit because M only offers classes that cover AB and CD--in essence each course has to have an equivalent, even if a group of courses together are equivalent to a group of M courses), but yeah, most of those classes don't look like things that would likely transfer...
September 5th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
Yikes... that is a bunch of classes that shouldn't count for college credit ANYWHERE.
September 5th, 2023 at 5:55 PM ^
I like “Introduction to Decision Makin” because I’m imagining that the Professor is a cross between Foghorn Leghorn and Colonel Angus.
September 5th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
Could be worse...at one point after my freshmen year I was homesick and was thinking of transferring back east to Princeton. Princeton flat out said they wouldn't take ANY transfer credits, regardless of grade or institution and that I would have to start my college education all over again.
Needless to say, I stayed at Michigan, and it was the best decision ever, but always remember, could be worse.
September 5th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
schriebee, here's someone setting you straight:
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September 5th, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^
I'm pretty sure I did do that.
This is the 1st thread I've ever started though, so it's entirely possible I didn't do something correctly.
I was actually looking for people to set me straight on whether Michigan not accepting credits from Stanford is ridiculous, and there have certainly been a lot of informative replies in that regard.
But thanks
September 5th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
It’s always so strange to me that transferring credits are so hard yet getting AP credits coming into the school as a freshman are so easy. My kid came into Michigan with like 25 credits because of his high school classes, but getting credits for classes taken at Stanford is hard for a transfer student? Ok 🤷♂️
September 5th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^
Because you are talking two different things. Basic credits and credits that count towards your major. Your AP credits count towards your general credits, you would still need to do 60 credit hours at Michigan in your degree even if you had 100 AP credits and you would just graduate with 160 credits. It’s just frustrating that articles like this run because they are completely factually inaccurate, Hintons situation has literally nothing to do with the admissions department
September 5th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
Part of why it seems hard is that the evaluation work (typically) hasn't yet been done. For AP classes, they are so commonplace that it was done long ago. M knows what each AP covers, how that compares to classes offered, and has the credit designations already set. And note that M doesn't give credit for every AP subject. There are plenty of courses listed on the AP site, including precalc and most of the art and music courses, that M doesn't appear to award credit for. So not so different than transfer credits in general.
Also, M has an equivalency guide that covers, for example, courses at the various M community colleges and how they transfer. All that work has already been done. But there are so many schools, and so many classes at those schools (with new classes introduced all the time), that the vast majority have never been evaluated by M. It's not unreasonable that M would want to look at what a class actually covers before deciding to award credit, nor is it that unreasonable that M wouldn't grant credit for classes that don't equate to things that are actually taught at M.
September 5th, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
I love my alma mater, but Michigan refusing to accept credits from Stanford is like a BMW dealership refusing to accept a Ferrari as a trade-in.
Having said that, I don't think that's what happened in this instance.
September 6th, 2023 at 3:11 AM ^
Maybe this is of interest, maybe not, I skimmed a while though and did not see anyone mention it. This issue is actually why all of the Ohio state schools (so OSU but also the smaller ones) switched from quarters to semesters. Their students had such an awful time transferring quarters, which actually makes sense when you do the math. Only 5% of schools are still on the quarter system. So if you want to irritated at schools being arrogant, save some for Stanford also which obviously assumes no one will ever transfer or cares if they have trouble. One of the reasons a school like Michigan has been on semesters for a very long time is precisely to make it easier for community college people to transfer in. I know they are notoriously difficult but I don't believe any worse than any other more elite FBS university--and I know my brother complains about it where he coaches.
Another point of interest I have not seen people discussing, including on other social media--Hinton himself seemed to find it funny. He clearly got in (unlike Caleb Love), he has a scholarship RS year still so he has time to graduate. HE does not seem upset or frustrated by this. I watched the presser. I too would love more explanation behind the freshman comp class since in my day anyway you could get out of that with AP credits--one would think a quarter at Stanford would be enough unless he did really poorly or something. But regarding biology that is a vertical curriculum. (My background by the way is no personal experience with transferring but my spouse was in academia in a vertical curriculum for 20 years plus as I said my brother coaches FBS football.) And he seems to be switching from Human Biology (maybe Michigan does not even have that) to Environmental Biology for the marine biology career he eventually wants. When you factor in the quarter system with the vertical curriculum in 2 different majors this makes things A LOT more difficult. The classes really need to match up or you could end up in a class you are not prepared for.