MSU releases statement contradicting Dantonio
November 12th, 2019 at 8:31 PM ^
They're clearly making stuff up as they go along at this point.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^
The Dave Brandon School of Public Relations approach. Ballsy.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:49 PM ^
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
Lets see how it plays out for Mork.
November 13th, 2019 at 8:13 AM ^
Quit drinking and go to bed.
November 13th, 2019 at 9:39 AM ^
Take your rose colored glasses off. Michigan handled the Morris situation the same way Staee is handling this one.
November 13th, 2019 at 9:54 AM ^
Yes, and the direct result was literally the firing of the AD, and indirectly the head coach as well. Michigan did this and heads rolled. Michigan State does this and.... I guess we'll see, but precedent is not on MSU's side here, to put it mildly.
November 13th, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^
Michigan did this, and it was on national news--the 30-minute network news, not just the 24-hour cable news. A congressman (Bill Pascrell, D-NJ) wrote a letter to Jim Delaney asking what the Big Ten is doing to prevent it from happening ever again. The President of the University, in his first month on the job, had to release a statement saying that "the system" failed his student.
I don't think anybody here is denying any of that happened.
November 13th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
You almost said it all. Let me just add that people are supposed to learn from mistakes, both those you make and mistakes made by others. It wouldn't happen in AA again, it shouldn't have happened in EL.
November 13th, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^
the direct result was literally the firing of the AD,
I thought WD's email got Brandon fired. Weird.
But that's not the point. How Satee is handling the concussion itself and how Michigan handled the concussion itself are the same.
November 13th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
Where is WD lately? Have i missed a name change?
November 13th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^
That's the point? We fucked up royally, we owned it, we protested and demanded the AD get fired, which happened.
Meanwhile in EL... *crickets*
November 13th, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^
No. The point is @urbanachiever is telling someone to quit drinking when they brought up Staee is following Michigan's lead.
Which is true -- regardless if one is a homer or not.
*crickets*
Ummm... Michigan didn't issue a statement on Morris until Tuesday morning -- they were crucifed in the national media for being silent. So again, Staee and Michigan have handled a player safety issue the same way.
November 13th, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^
And everybody else's point is yes, both Michigan and Michigan State handled nearly identical incidents in nearly identical ways. That's the point, and absolutely nobody here disagrees. The incidents were almost identical, the handling by the athletic departments was almost identical, and yet the consequences seem so different.
* How did Michigan fans react compared to how Michigan State fans reacted to those incidents?
* How did the two University Presidents react to the two nearly identical incidents?
* How did the local media react to the two nearly identical incidents?
* How did the national media react to the two nearly identical incidents?
* How did the conference, the NCAA and Congress react to the two nearly identical incidents?
(Also, the "quit drinking" line is obviously meant to bring to mind Mr. Brandon, Michigan's former Athletic Director, who both uttered that line and was also the mastermind behind Michigan's response to the Morris concussion).
November 12th, 2019 at 8:42 PM ^
Maybe, maybe not, but the medical staff did screw up BIG TIME, par for the course at staee.
The critical play was at 5:49 left in the 4th, the statement says that they did "a symptom assessment" - hey MGoDocs, is that the same as the concussion protocol - at under 5 minutes to play. So, when he went back in to throw the erratic pick-six, he had not been checked yet!
November 12th, 2019 at 8:57 PM ^
It does not appear that he underwent true concussion protocol by the NCAA and CAQ sports medicine standards. However, a team doc can not evaluate and treat what they do not know about. We are assuming they saw the play, were aware of the contact and consciously made an effort not to do anything about it. This is highly unlikely. They are frequently treating other players on the sideline, rarely have a decent view of the game, and can’t watch every player on every play. As has been stated on this blog, it seems as though this was simply another example of the coaching staff being wreckless. However, you can be sure that Lewerke has since undergone concussion evaluation and passed if we see him on Saturday.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:14 PM ^
Why don’t they have a dedicated concussion doctor? I mean it’s basically the reason kids don’t want to play football anymore.
Also, I’m sure it’s a medical decision. People may believe the coach bullies the docs, and they might, but that was Hoke’s defense.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:40 PM ^
Critical Care Medicine Doc here: The SCAT3 is a sideline assessment tool is one method that can be used to determine if an individual is concussed. The components are listed below:
1. Glasgow coma score - tests eye opening, movement, speech - anything less than a perfect score warrants an evaluation in a hospital setting.
2. Maddocks score - this is a series of orientation questions.
3. Symptoms/ symptom severity assessment
4.cognitive assessment- tests short-term memory and concentration
5. Cervical spine exam
6. Balance assessment
7. Coordination assessment
8. Delayed recall
9. Focused physical exam - including a neurological exam
I’m sorry but if you are a sports med doc, or trainer, and you are on the sideline of a football game, you need to have some clinical assessment tool, either on a laminated placard or on a phone, something to guide the doc, trainer, whom ever to eval for concussion. The importance of getting an assessment done properly and timely cannot be overstated.
While some of these components have lots of questions, the physical exam shouldn’t take too long if done in a systematic way.
Totally get that trainers can’t see everything all the time, but the thing that bothers me is that the staff didn’t come after BW’s teammate waved them over after BW wobbled to his feet.
November 12th, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
I also think the refs should feel empowered to stop the game and demand a concussion evaluation in case the team misses it.
It is confusing, though, at what point did they think, "Huh, he might have had a concussion"? Maybe someone buzzed them from the coaches box upstairs after the pick 6.
November 12th, 2019 at 11:48 PM ^
I believe in the B1G, there's an official whose sole job is to stop play if they feel a player may have sustained a concussion. So, the process and personnel are there, they just didn't do their jobs.
November 12th, 2019 at 11:43 PM ^
Nah, the MSU protocol is much simpler than that
- Put him back in
- Until it's evident the concussion is causing pick sixes
- Then take him out
November 13th, 2019 at 12:14 AM ^
So there's a thing called a "Glasgow Coma", huh?
November 13th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
Yes, and a doctor would know that. Can I see you credentials? Or, better yet, speak to you supervisor?
November 13th, 2019 at 9:22 AM ^
I don’t think the question is whether the team doctor decided not to, I think it’s that he was never notified of a possible problem. Had he been, I’ll give him the benefit of doubt for being an actual medical doctor that he would have done a complete assessment. I think it’s pretty clear that the coaches decided not to pull him and have it done. Mick should be getting 100% of whatever blame must be appointed - just like Hoke took 100% of the Shane Morris blame, and rightfully so.
November 12th, 2019 at 11:25 PM ^
The pick-six was the play immediately after he was hit in the head, wasn't it? If so, there was definitely no way they checked him then.
November 13th, 2019 at 6:54 AM ^
Symptom assessment.
"Are you Batman?" "I don't think so, why?" "Good to go, Coach."
November 12th, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^
MSU's track record of honesty is impeccable.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^
The Enron of public universities.
November 13th, 2019 at 12:36 AM ^
If by Enron you mean Sodom
November 12th, 2019 at 9:51 PM ^
Kinda like the shoulder injury last year. Was he or wasn't he hurt?
November 12th, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^
Did he or didn’t he practice. They got that wrong, too.
November 12th, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^
No such thing as right or wrong for staee, just a whole lot of Alternative Facts!
November 13th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^
And Danofrio was not directly behind the line of walkers in the Devin Bush incident. The hits just keep coming!
November 12th, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^
This seems like something that the coach should know.
It appears either Mork or MSU is not telling the truth. Strange.
November 13th, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^
I think they have your size...
November 12th, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^
So he was aware, but not fully aware?
November 12th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
Sounds like he was not even partially aware...
November 12th, 2019 at 8:53 PM ^
You need to let him re-center
November 12th, 2019 at 9:39 PM ^
As Nixon said... "I accept all the responsibility but none of the blame."
November 12th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
In D-Antoni's defense, he said he really didn't remember the game very well.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^
Did he go through the concussion protocol also???
November 12th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^
Coming down with the Urban Meyer illness
November 12th, 2019 at 9:34 PM ^
Must be contracted from something in the water in Ohio. Urban, Mark and Jim Tressel all grew up there.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
He was aware and looked the other way
November 12th, 2019 at 9:14 PM ^
Looking the other way, standard for that shit hole.
November 13th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^
You know, as much as I hated them in the past -- I was able to admit it was all about football.
But after the last 3-4 years -- I just don't understand how their fans can even defend that place anymore. How could you let your child go there!? I just don't get it. TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME again.
November 13th, 2019 at 5:16 PM ^
You would think 200+ sexual assualt victims would be enough to deter further enrollment but I guess not.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^
Perhaps Dantonio wasn't fully aware.
November 12th, 2019 at 10:12 PM ^
Underrated point. I mean what does it say about a university when Mork Dantoni, sexual assault enabler, is the more trustworthy source?
November 12th, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^
I seem to remember RCMB making some comments about us when this happened ... now what were those little ole’ gems.
November 13th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
"History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."