More likely to survive: Dantonio or Izzo?
For me, this is just a no-brainer. Izzo is only one who has built up enough equity with the university off the field (or court) via community and charity work to warrant a second guess on canning his ass. Dantonio appears even more tone-deaf and beligerant with how he's dealing with OTL report so one hint of evidence backing up the ESPN story could seal the deal for him
January 28th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
I don't know how you fire one and keep the other. The best thing MSU could do morally and athletically is clean house and start over.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:22 AM ^
I just can't imagine that would ever happen. Self immolation to that degree is not something MSU will do willingly....and the NCAA has proven themselves toothless so why do it unless you have to? I get the strong feeling they will circle the wagons now that President and AD are gone and fight this tooth an nail. Look at PSU for christsakes...people will believe what they want to believe even in light of a damning evidence.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
But the Appling and Payne cover up could do him in
January 28th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^
Sports money and prestige are what built MSU over the last couple decades. First from Izzo, then from Dantonio.
Yes, MSU is an R1 university with an international reputation but if you look at their academic rankings, they have not moved up academically in the same time frame. They were in the lowest tier of the B1G then, and remain there now. MSU was and is a regional school.
The last two decades have been the worst in living memory for Michigan football. Beilein resurrected our hoops program, fortunately. But our academic reputation remains unchanged: the second-best public school in the country after Berkeley, the best public school in the B1G, and second only to NWU, which is like comparing apples and oranges anyway.
Don't kid yourself - Izzo and Dantonio run that school. Take away Izzo's basketball success and Dantonio's football success and MSU has few truly prestigious programs. As far as I know, the only MSU BoT members with Twitter accounts are Mitch Lyons and Brian Mosallam. I scrolled through their tweets, and they simply do NOT talk about academics. They both tweeted a lot after the latest football game and not at all after the latest basketball game. Neither of them tweeted about MSU's #1 ranked nuclear physics program when those rankings were recently released.
Now, MSU is going to be hemmorhaging money from civil lawsuits. These will run into the hundreds of millions of dollars. MSU athletics is going to start losing sponsors and donors. And whether they themselves are found directly culpable does not matter at this point - moving forward, Izzo and Dantonio are stained. Winning does not matter in the eyes of anyone outside of East Lansing when it carries such a high cost.
I would be surprised if either stays. If they do, then MSU's academic reputation will suffer for it. It already has, in terms of their DO school.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:14 AM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
There is all sorts of issues with that statement about Carr none of which matter here. But why even mention it in the first place?
January 28th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
I assume he means that firing a coach doesn't have to mean squandering the team that's been built. Though I don't know how a class would hold up in this situation.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^
Now, it's time for people with the power to do the prosecuting and jailing to start asking a lot of questions of a lot of people. And those people need to stop worrying about protecting Michigan State’s reputation. Michigan State’s reputation is already in tatters. The only way to rebuild it is to find the truth—however ugly it may be—root out everyone whose actions or inaction contributed to evil and start anew.”
January 28th, 2018 at 11:39 AM ^
With Hollis and Simon gone, and the fireworks of the OTL stories and obvious civil cases (and potentially criminal with prosecutors and AG investigators) who wants to be the new President or AD and have those two still on board and defiant?
I just cannot see anyone wanting to take that on without a clean slate.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^
Over Dantonio and Izzo being gone
January 28th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^
Neither one will be fired unless they are caught red handed. I'm more interested in whatever sanctions come down from the NCAA. Say they get some sort of post season ban and scholarship reduction imposed. Both coaches are in their mid 60's. Are they really going to hang around through all that to try to rebuild their programs?
January 28th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^
He reminds me of the cockroaches and rats that survived the great Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event.
I don't think either go however much I'd like them both to rot in hell.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
#msutoo
January 28th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^
Both will survive. I hate them both, but I respect Izzo. But that ESPN story has started to fall apart a little, and by a little, I mean alot.
Only thing either did that can really be seen as questionable is Izzo didn't suspend Payne and Appling while they were being investigated.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:04 PM ^
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January 29th, 2018 at 9:25 AM ^
The media and the unaffiliated still want another pound of flesh. What happened at MSU is unfathomably terrible. I think Dantonio will be the final scapegoat to fall. His personality and arrogance make him the perfect target.