More bad details in Frank Clark case

Submitted by Yostbound and Down on

Didn't see this posted, but there are some new revelations in the Frank Clark case (to my knowledge none of this was in Ace's piece or on the board, if I'm wrong, please zap the thread).

The hotel manager says Clark threatened her saying "I will hit you like I hit her" which jives nicely with the Seahawks' claim they'd never draft a player who hit a woman. Clark also lied to an officer claiming his girlfriend had been drinking, and that his father was a chief of police.

Also interesting, apparently "the day after the arrest" the Seahawks along with several other teams sent representatives to investigate the incident. 

Link to Seattle Times piece

bacon

May 9th, 2015 at 4:13 PM ^

This whole thing is just sad. Whether people think he deserves it or not, he's got a second chance now and hopefully he has learned that he cannot do anything like this again.

B-Nut-GoBlue

May 10th, 2015 at 2:13 AM ^

And we don't know how many chances YOU'VE had... ..but I'm sure you're crystal clean and would never put yourself in any position to do such things and yadda yadda.. ..but keep up the "that we know of" because it's really fair.

Cobalt2970

May 10th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

I may be in the minority on this site...but if you hit women or if you do anything that monsters do to others. If you want a second chance two things need to happen. 1. You have to ask for forgiveness and a second chance 2. I have to believe you If you don't do #1 right away you don't pass #2. I love Michigan football, but I love the rights of a woman to live fear free...More. I guess that happens when you grow up with two sisters and have two nieces.

Witz57

May 10th, 2015 at 1:31 AM ^

I've gotten to the point where the more character questions teams have on their roster the less I care about the team and the sport.  I used to watch every Lions game, but they had that period where so many players got arrested or charged with things...I was just kind of done. I didn't even check the scores after a while and they never fully got me back. The NFL in general I have a lot of trouble with too.

Maybe because I'm older now, but I just find it harder to cheer for people or organizations I don't respect. I know that teams are going to do what they're going to do anyway because "where else are we gonna get our fix?" but I think if enough people withdraw from things they feel aren't ok then it'll be harder for organizations to leverage us against each other.

Marley Nowell

May 9th, 2015 at 4:14 PM ^

Not to deflect from the heinous crime(s) of Clark but we can't overlook how an entire organization and league can just lie to our faces repeatedly without consequence. I'd almost respect Seattle more if they simply said they are drafting him to play football and not pretend they did background work or that they care about domestic violence.

Ronnie Kaye

May 9th, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^

What's so frustrating is that the attitude of the league and the teams is that we can and will overlook it. All that negative PR and the league's ratings were not hurt one iota. Doubt the Ravens experienced a loss in fan support/revenue as well. They lie to not appear brazen and because there have yet to be financial consequences.

At some point, people are going to have to tune the league out if they want to make a difference. NFL owners are notoriously ruthless. They couldn't care less about public outrage that makes no direct impact on their wallets.

 

pkatz

May 10th, 2015 at 6:07 AM ^

Steroid era? One of MLB's issues was the rampant PEDs taking place in the 1990s and early 2000's - while that drove short term popularity for baseball, it ultimately affected its popularity (and the fact that the game is just too long and losing its appeal to kids today versus faster-paced games like lacrosse). The juiced players were all cheaters if not hardened criminals.

snarling wolverine

May 10th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^

This is what sucks.  PED use is rampart across the sports world.  You may not want to know how many of your favorite athletes are "hardened criminals."  But the sports that actually try (somewhat) to put a stop to it get tarnished in the public eye - cycling especially, and now MLB.  

The leagues that don't take testing seriously are rewarded for it.  We don't think of the NBA as  a league with a PED problem, for instance.  That may have to do with the fact that all PED testing takes place during the regular season (not that they even use tough tests).  During the playoffs?  No testing whatsoever.  

 

 

Yostbound and Down

May 9th, 2015 at 6:52 PM ^

I would respect them more, no question, because then they wouldn't be injecting their moral opinion that he's ok to them into the conversation. The NFL as a whole has made a particularly bad habit of doing this especially under Goodell. Remember how Terelle Pryor was suspended in the NFL for a "crime" he committed in college (as funny as that is to me as a Michigan fan, that's pretty stupid objectively? For longer than Ray Rice was for clocking his fiance? 

If Seattle had just said "We know Frank made an awful mistake for which he was punished by the law, and now we expect him to be a model citizen here in Seattle" there's no issue, IMO. 

Big Mike

May 9th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^

He got his money. He made it out of the hood. He will pay his dues and karma is real. Honestly, none of this is any of our business as Frank is not a member of the football team anymore.

Big Mike

May 9th, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^

believe me I do. I'm just saying what comes around goes around. The only people who know the true story were the people there and if Frank did strike his girlfriend than I believe in one way or another he'll pay for it. Now whether or not we know if he pays for it is none of our business.

pkatz

May 10th, 2015 at 6:15 AM ^

So it IS board material, but ISN'T any of our business? Not really getting what you are saying here... now that Clark is no longer on the team, we shouldn't talk about him? Can we talk about Tom Brady since he's no longer on the team? How about recruits? Can we talk about them if they are not yet on the team?

ghostofhoke

May 9th, 2015 at 4:42 PM ^

Exactly. And if you think he Seahawks or the NFL give two shits about this incident you're insane. All they care about is bringing in a guy who they think can help them win. If they win, no one in Seattle will ever mention any of this and it will be long forgotten. You think. Anyone 2000 miles from Southeastern Detroit even knows anything about this incident?



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Gameboy

May 9th, 2015 at 4:22 PM ^

At this point this is not a Frank Clark issue, it is a Seattle Seahawks issue. They took this event lightly and they are getting exposed for it. This is not going to end well.

Ronnie Kaye

May 9th, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^

If Seattle had drafted him in the fifth or sixth round, this wouldn't be getting attention. Drafting Clark in the second (a big reach based on mock drafts) has magnified the situation hugely.

 

slimj091

May 9th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^

None of that even matters. With white knight's these day's there is only one side of the story that matters. the side that they want to hear. They want to hear that Clark turned into a big green rage monster who bounced his girlfriend's near lifeless body around the room making young children cry in agony. It makes them feel good about their own not as loose morals.

That's Just Kramer

May 9th, 2015 at 7:44 PM ^

On Thursday, The Times spoke with Lynne Gast-King, Sandusky, Ohio's municipal prosecutor, about the case. Gast-King explained how she came to the conclusion that Clark did not strike Hurt inside the Maui Sands hotel last November, and that's why the charges against him were reduced.

"From what I gathered, I do not believe he punched her, slapped her, anything like that," she told the paper. "Was there physical things going on between them? Yeah, there was.

"But I don't think he punched her."

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/05/report_prosecutor_doesnt_belie.html

CR7

May 9th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^

Do you honestly think, if his stance was 'I never hit her', he would say this to someone who could be deposed against him in case of a trial? I doubt that very much. And I'm sick of this fucking place being caught up in this. He's gone, he's been gone. Let it go. He's not a Michigan player anymore. You would think this was a Seahawks board the way you people concern yourself with something that doesn't concern you.

bronxblue

May 9th, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

Fine, then this board shouldn't talk about ballghazi, Woodley's charity work, and a 2-point conversion from 25 years ago, as it is in  the past.  

I mean, there's also a post here about the utility of late conference calls.

You don't want to talk about it?  Fine - don't.  But this is a high-profile event concerning a former player, and if people want to discuss just how terribly it has been handled by Clark and the Seahawks, they certainly can without offending you.

LSAClassOf2000

May 9th, 2015 at 5:31 PM ^

Please don't be like that. 

You've been here long enough to know that if it concerns a Michigan player - past or present - it is by definition on-topic, boardworthy except if it happens to duplicate other content and probably will show up here regradless of your sensibilities on the subject's worthiness for discussion. This is a rather highly engaged portion of the fanbase quite concerned with the players for which it cheers, whether those players actions are laudable or - in the case of Clark - unfortunate, and there is nothing wrong with that. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

May 10th, 2015 at 2:58 AM ^

      You're right, people never say incriminating things to other people who could possibly be deposed in case of a trial.  That's why, as an attorney, I never do depositions.  There are completely pointless since no one ever tells a potential deposees anything incriminating. 

Did I mention I never won a case and my law practice went out of business?

natesezgoblue

May 9th, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^

Live in Seattle. Seahawks fans would root for Osama Bin Laden if he was on the team. They don't care. Their team does no wrong, and they all want Tom Brady suspended and executed for deflate gate. Bay far the worse fan base in the NFL.

Ronnie Kaye

May 9th, 2015 at 6:06 PM ^

In other words, they are like every other base.

It's amazing to me how many times I see people single out a fanbase they don't like and, with a straight face, state that they are "by far the worst." There is very little difference between bases in terms of irrational bias and homerism.

 

sharks

May 9th, 2015 at 7:07 PM ^

but there's not much of a difference between Buckeye and Wolverine fans, as much as both sides hate to admit. Every fanbase is basically blinded by confirmation bias. Every school has its share of yahoos and rational thinkers, and all the big programs recruit the same players. I expect to be shouted down here (same as I would expect at Eleven Warriors), but I'm right.

Ronnie Kaye

May 10th, 2015 at 1:27 PM ^

Nobody said they are exactly alike. But in terms of confirmation bias (which is what that poster referenced), yeah -- the majority of each base share the same disease. Don't know how that can even be denied.

The swiftness of the Tressel embrace was very bad. But so was our decision to turn our back on our own basketball program for a great length of time. Opposite extremes.

 

Yeoman

May 10th, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^

To take an example that's ancient history, I knew the story of Gerald Ford and Willis Ward for probably three decades before I ever found out about the nefarious role played by Yost. I knew vaguely about Yost's racism but no details--the detailed story I knew was entirely from the other, more honorable, side.

I think there may be slightly more tolerance for academic funny stuff among the OSU fanbase (just a data-free suspicion from living in Ohio too long) but I'm not sure it extrapolates to tolerance for other forms of questionable behavior.

sharks

May 10th, 2015 at 9:16 PM ^

My point is that you can't really generalize the fanbases that way.  It has been relatively quiet on the criminal justice front for Buckeyes really since the supposedly lawless Meyer took over, while Michigan has had a few situations.  Two things:

1. Michigan handled the Clark issue very well (York too)*.  Meyer was too heavy-handed with Carlos Hyde (and Brad Roby).

2. Michigan having more bad apples in the last few years says absolutely nothing about the quality of either school nor the respective football admissions processes.

As far as Tressel goes, I like to think that most Bucks fans realize that he was wrong and deserved to go, but were much more willing to forgive him after Urban pulled the program back up so quickly.

*I think the Gibbons/Lewan thing stinks to high heaven, but don't want to open that can of worms more than I just did.

Ronnie Kaye

May 9th, 2015 at 8:35 PM ^

There are overall differences but in terms of rose-colored glasses about itself and making any kind of logic reach that takes credit away from a rival, no, there is not much difference.

I saw a thread earlier today with tons of comments about how Dantonio wasn't that great of a coach. I'm sure on an MSU message board they have said similar things about Harbaugh. Both takes are absolutely ludicrous but that is what you get in a mass forum of sports fans. If you think Michigan (or anyone else) is somehow above this, please state your case.