Michigan Plans For Fans This Fall
Title says it all. Gosh, I certainly hope so!
"Some MDs have been saying that the variants tend to be weaker than the novel strain"
He is misleading in the same sense that phrases such as "a lot of people are saying..." or "I'm hearing..." are misleading when spewed by politicians (or anyone, for that matter) and then not backing it up with sources, especially when it's not factually true for all variants.
Yes, as I stated in my response to Mrunner73, some are weaker. I don't dispute that. What I'm objecting to is stating "variants tend to be weaker" and attributing that to "some MDs". Maybe he could provide a link or at least the names of these mysterious "some MDs"?
I'm in favor of fans (myself included!) being able to attend Michigan football games again, make no mistake about it. I received my first covid shot 15 days ago and will be getting the 2nd dose soon.
Herd immunity attained primarily because of vaccinations is what's going to get us inside The Big House and other stadiums again, whether if be College Sports, MLB, NFL, etc.
At the same time, though, who knows where we'll be by fall. I'm hoping far enough in the process of the proverbial time consuming 99-yd 20-play drive to score the game-winning TD over the hated fighting covids.
Most of the time you’re spot on with your moderation, but this time was a whiff. His statement wasn’t misleading.
His statement began with “some MDs are saying..” It’s perfectly reasonable and plausible that some MDs would say such things.
XM---I was in disagreement with 'MRunner73', not ca_prophet.
Just rereading now through this thread and noticed your above response to my earlier comment, so thus wanted to clarify.
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As you and I both well know, we each have differing opinions on a number of covid-19 issues.
My family history that I've sometimes referred to on the board is a family history that includes much 19th Century tragedy because of flu and diphtheria epidemics that hit relatives hard back in those days.
My mother, who had a degree in nursing---and decided to do so because she was well-aware of what her father's generation and parents dealt with---taught me and my siblings well.
https://mgoblog.com/comment/244114339#comment-244114339
I earlier this evening enjoyed dinner and a few beers with my dear 88 year old Aunt (Mom's younger sister) and two cousins (her son and daughter) at a local brewpub and had the time of our lives laughing much and thoroughly enjoying each other's company; 3 of the 4 of us have been vaccinated and we all wore masks the majority of the time and felt absolutely no inconvenience at doing so. My Aunt is doing well now in the aftermath of losing her 91 year old husband 5 months ago and tonight's gathering was her idea.
I spent my previous couple days with my son, one daughter and my granddaughter (and a few other family members) because we had the need to be together. A big part of the reason we gathered was because my dear granddaughter has recently "hit the wall" scholastically and emotionally, largely as an aftershock of remote learning and the inherent difficulties many kids are dealing with due to loss of needed socialization. I get all that.
We are near the finish line. As a high school track and field guy I'll use this analogy: run hard THROUGH the finish line and never celebrate victory until then. I continue to adhere to that mindset.
sorry to hear about granddaughter. she is not alone and good for you all to get out with her. if i was having dinner with an elderly person i'd make sure to ask them about their mask wishes and abide by them. i fondly remember your (maskless) visit to the farm this fall and hope you will come back again - i promise another 'care package' of farm stuff if you do.
Something for you to ponder. When you are in a store, do you ask everyone what their mask wishes are and abide by them, or do you just assume that they don’t care if you wear one. There are estimates that 1 in 5 people between 18-29 are at elevated risk and 2 in 5 between 40 and 49 are at elevated risk, so there is a pretty good chance that people you pass by in stores either are at elevated risk or live with or have contact with someone who is. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-0679-t1 If they are at elevated risk, some of them would probably appreciate you wearing a mask.
Bottom line: even if you get the Covid from any variant because the vaccine wasn't very effective preventing infection from that variant, if you are vaccinated you do not get hospitalized and you do not die. That's what every single study says.
That's the point right?
Even the J&J vaccine is only 66% effective in keeping you from getting the Covid, but it got approved anyway because all you get is the sniffles. I'll go see a game and risk getting the sniffles.
I am fully rooting for your plan. I have three children who cannot get vaccinated. Considering there are roughly 100,000,000 more like them in the US, we are at 2/3 vaccination if all of age people do so. So considering we have a fairly split population, I'd guess 40 percent of those wait or choose not to get vaccinated. We are over 175,000,000 not vaccinated. So, in the Big House, at full capacity, 45-50,000 are plausibly not vaccinated. Maybe that meets herd immunity standards and we are getting after it but I don't know that it does. Again, I hope my cynicism leads you to seek me out in the friendly confines of Mgoblog and call me the idiot I may be. I'll drink lemon shots if true. Seems fair to expect me to.
Considering we can't yet vaccinate under 18 and around 1/3 of the pop says they won't ever get the vaccine, you might consider pumping the brakes.
The majority of Americans will find it absurd to remain shut down if/when (1) a vaccine is widely available, yet (2) there are some people who decide not to get it.
Under age 18 at Michigan stadium? All of them?
According to Johns Hopkins, if you are under the age of 21 you are more likely to die of the seasonal flu. For children, getting it or carrying it is an anomaly.
The Pfizer vaccine has been approved for use for those as young as 16. For younger kids, covid is not a big risk. While the risks of covid for those under 16 are not 0, they are pretty low. As has been pointed out, more kids in that age group die of the flu every year than have died of covid in the last year.
If it's not 100% capacity allowed in every college football stadium in America come Labor Day weekend, something has gone wrong. Something would have gone wrong with either (1) the virus or (2) our collective nerve.
(1) COVID hospitalizations nationwide have gone down 15%+ week-over-week continually since their peak on January 6, 2021.
(2) COVID hospitalizations nationwide are now lower than they were when Michigan's 2020 season kicked off (October 24).
(3) Decreases seem likely to continue. Real-world data is indicating that the vaccines work --- not perfectly, but they work well. Daily vaccine distribution is projected to more than double over the next several weeks.
You should not share this dangerous positive news. People might believe it and then what would happen?
America in the first few months of CY 2021 are an odd place.
At many times in my life, positivity was the default condition of the American populace. Now, it requires courage to be positive.
America is suffering from a crisis of confidence!
2020 was a dark year.
But it's not 2020 any more.
Not to rip off a political phrase from the same era of "Crisis in Confidence", but the sun is rising. It is Morning in America.
He'll go to the bar, we'll all go to the bar, it'll be anarchy...
People believe what Nittany is posting because it is actually true. When it comes to science, you should give it a shot. It is amazing how much more receptive many people are to actual positive facts than they are to made up ones.
Nittany - I greatly appreciate the fact that you use actual real facts to make your points and not stuff pulled out of your ass like some other posters. While I disagree with you on many things related to this particular issue, things are undeniably moving quickly in the right direction.
i know you hate good news and numbers, but i couldn't resist, please forgive me:
Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. would also suggest much broader immunity than recognized. About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population has had the infection.
But the consistent and rapid decline in daily cases since Jan. 8 can be explained only by natural immunity. Behavior didn’t suddenly improve over the holidays; Americans traveled more over Christmas than they had since March. Vaccines also don’t explain the steep decline in January. Vaccination rates were low and they take weeks to kick in.
link to article, but there's lots more if you want to do the work:https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-1161366973
and go back to robf's article, which was good news that the variants seem to be no more lethal or even less lethal.
extract out the deaths caused by certain gov's stuffing sick people in elder care homes and the numbers look far less scary at that. but you won't have any of it, i know.
You see nothing odd about responding to a post of mine where I am saying “things are undeniably moving quickly in the right direction” by saying that I hate good news?
With regards to your link. The article is paywalled, but I can see that it is in the opinion section. You like to continue to demonstrate your tenuous understanding of the concept of a fact. While sometimes there are facts in opinion pieces, it should not surprise that they also contain a significant amount of opinion. The suggestion that two thirds of the population had already had covid in the middle of February, may not be quite as crazy as the idea that “No one with the recommended level of vitamin D has died of COVID-19”,
For instance, this study estimates that 83 million people had covid in 2020. It seems extremely unlikely that number more than doubled in the next month in a half when as the article you cited noted that covid cases were going down in January. There were another 1700 deaths in the US yesterday from Covid. While we should all be celebrating how quickly vaccine production is ramping up, and the fact that we are likely only a few months away from the point that anyone above 15 who wants to get a vaccine can get one, we should not pretend that we’ve reached herd immunity yet, because the numbers show that just isn’t true.
That doesn’t mean that everyone needs to lock themselves in their basements, it just means that we should do the incredibly simple thing we can do for all of our neighbors and wear a mask when you are in an enclosed public place.
Thanks --- I know we have had conflict before, but I've felt it's typically been "productive conflict." And there's nothing wrong with that. :-)
Down in front!
"Down in front!"
I long for the day when I hear those three magic words at Michigan Stadium once again. Never thought I'd feel that way.
I think you will hear it this year. If you can fly on a plane (and have been able to do so the entire time this pandemic has been going on), it's going to be very hard NOT to have fans. And a full allotment at that. Probably no concessions and everyone just keeps their masks on at a minimum.
I am more optimistic and believe they will have 100% capacity based on the vaccines and pure economics. Are we going to see 10% attendance, with the new vaccines in place, and losing out on the revenue of 90,000+ ticket sales per game? Doubt it.
By the way I would never yell "down in front" to anyone although that has happened to me.
COVID should be treated the same as the flu by the end of May. There will be no reason not to have a 100% capacity Michigan Stadium by September.
We've beaten it, we're vaccinating the population. It's over.
Til then, show respect for all the people who work in retail and their families and wear a mask when you are in a store.
Spot on!
As a long-term member of the retailing "brotherhood", I second that.
Though I was in management and supervision in my job for much of my career, I have so many friends still on the job and waiting for the vaccine who are still at risk daily that I can't say often enough, JUST WEAR A FUCKING MASK and help them out!
It's a very small sacrifice to make on their behalf.
I’ll be back in person. Got my second Pfizer shot yesterday. While I feel like a truck hit me today, I’ll be good as new in 2 weeks. Bring on tailgating!
I was tired as hell after my first dose. I had two nights of nyquil-style sleep and a walking hangover by the third quarter of the super bowl. It will be two weeks since my second dose this weekend and the second time I had no fatigue but some swelling of my lymph node in my right arm pit (the arm where I was stuck). The most peculiar thing was how light of a pinprick the shot is compared to the TDAP I received for my baby a few months ago.
March 10th, 2021 at 10:25 AM ^
Both my shots were pretty brutal on me. But it could have been seasonal allergies just as well, I don't know. (It's also possible my wife got the Covid from work right about 7 days prior to my second shot, but we never confirmed that).
I'm operating under the belief that the worse the side effects of the vaccine, the worse the effects of the Covid probably would have been. I count myself very lucky I've been careful, and early vaccinated.
I won't think twice about going. If I can go, I will go.
I am getting my second shot soon. When I get it, I will live my life and stop worrying, If the Big House allows it, I will be there. I will wear 2 masks, wear a shield, wear surgical gloves, wear a tracking device around both ankles, sign a waiver of liability, wear a diaper, if the johns are closed, be tested upon entry, at halftime, and upon leaving. Just give me my effing Michigan Football back! That is all.
The vaccine is good for 4 months, I am actually curious as to what is next? Maybe a couple of booster shots, there is 2 more spots on my vaccine card.
If enough people get vaccinated and variants don't become a bigger problem, this is a real possibility. I am hopeful.
We can all agree to disagree, but the bottom line is we're heading in the right direction
By fall, I hope that one of the contingencies they are planning for is 100,000+ fans in the stands.
I'm a fan plan stan!
Each SEC stadium will be completely full. Thats a given. Will need to wait and see if all the changes JH has made will bear fruit. I tend to think this year is not going to be great, 6 or 7 wins. Fans will not flock to a mediocre team, with or without covid concerns.
March 10th, 2021 at 12:07 AM ^
A vaccine card will be needed. Its the card that you cannot leave home without by the end of summer.
March 10th, 2021 at 12:07 AM ^
A vaccine card will be needed. Its the card that you cannot leave home without by the end of summer.
and holiday inn express continues to thrive.....
March 10th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^
This old, doubly vaccinated man will show up to the homecoming game. Pity it's against the Garden State but, hey, waddayagonnado.
If Juwan puts a court in the big house then yes there will be fans.