Michigan Offensive Breakdown with Al Borges This Week

Submitted by MaizenBlue93 on September 27th, 2022 at 4:35 PM

https://youtu.be/9azUoK7rSFU

 

These are amazing. I like them more than MMQB with Devin Gardner. It's wild to me just how much you can learn from these videos.

 

The main takeaways were that JJ's inexperience was the main reason for any implement in the offense, play calling was great, RB/OL/WR play were outstanding, TE and QB play need work, and that there's a lot of cause for optimism given that JJ is only going to get more experienced. 

ShadowStorm33

September 27th, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^

Yeah, Funk has to be in the running for worst position coach in Michigan history. The only good OL we had during the Hoke era were the ones that were developed by Frey (RichRod), and guys that played early seemed to get worse the longer they were in the program...

Vote_Crisler_1937

September 27th, 2022 at 7:49 PM ^

FranzWagner,

watch a couple of the Borges breakdowns with Sam and decide for yourself. 
 

I find Borges knowledgeable, I wonder if he wouldn’t be happiest being an analyst somewhere. I appreciate when he and Gardner disagree because it’s interesting to hear both sides of what knowledgeable people see. I’ve definitely learned a lot watching them. 

UMForLife

September 27th, 2022 at 8:11 PM ^

Is there someone you are not negative about? 

Listen to the guy and then decide if he is good or not. It is not like he did something illegal while he was UM OC. Geez. Way too hate around here and too much negativity. Life is short. It is a football game after all.

The guy is enjoyable and seems like a genuinely good guy. I learn a lot from his videos. Try to forgive and move on. Or not. 

 

 

Phaedrus

September 28th, 2022 at 2:12 AM ^

I think one thing we learned when Borges was replaced was that he probably wasn't the problem everyone suspected he was.

Borges was dealt a crap hand when he was OC. He had a head coach/AD who demanded he run a system that didn't play to his players' strengths, he had a bare cupboard of an OL after his first year, and he clearly didn't have very good position coaches to back him up.

Both Devin and Borges frequently push back against fan critiques that the team should have run x, y, or z in a certain situation just because that would have made the most sense if you were playing Madden or had a roster full of pro players. For example, they both mentioned how we could have carved up Maryland with RPOs, but since Maryland threw a defense at us they hadn't shown on tape and J.J. had never dealt with, it was smart for the coaches not to put that on his plate.

It's easy to forget that the players can only practice so much, they're all relatively inexperienced, and these things place severe constraints on play calling. It's not a video game where the OC can just adapt with any play in the playbook.

LeCheezus

September 28th, 2022 at 12:14 PM ^

I generally get where you're going with this.  He still does know way more than any of us ever will.

I will also say to the Al Borges defense force that jumped all over you, Borges will almost always compliment the play calling and say something else is the reason the play failed.  The whole "call what your guys do well not what you think the smartest playcall is" is definitely a thing he isn't fully on board with.

Also Brian's rant about Al Borges on the Roundtable after the 2019 MSU game is still my favorite 3 minutes of that show of all time. 

mi93

September 27th, 2022 at 4:47 PM ^

Gorgeous he may be, I struggle with appreciating any insights from an offensive mind that egregiously misapplied the talents of Denard Robinson.

Sigh.

bronxblue

September 27th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^

Interesting stuff.  I've watched part of it and part of Gardner's MMQB videos and both of them seem to be of the mindset that the missed shots by McCarthy downfield were acceptable because they were chances taken.  I'm not quite sold that's true if, at least in the throws I saw, there were other guys open who could have picked up a decent chunk of yards.  Again, it's one game and it certainly wasn't a bad performance but just a narrative I'm seeing around.  Personally, I'd like if McCarthy stopped trying to force these bombs to Wilson a bit because that's a "tell" that defenses are going to start keying in on.

bronxblue

September 28th, 2022 at 9:35 AM ^

McCarthy, like lots of young QBs, locks onto a WR at times at the snap and that tends to be Wilson.  And Wilson needs to work on his routes a bit; that bad shoulder throw McCarthy made in the 3rd (?) Quarter was because Wilson broke inside instead of outside, which felt like the wrong move.

This isn't intended to knock guys other than point out that if you show a proclivity to throw to a guy regardless of whether or not he's the best option defenses will adjust.

JHumich

September 27th, 2022 at 5:15 PM ^

I actually thought that they were "chances avoided" by overthrowing and hoping his receiver could catch up, rather than hitting the receiver in stride and letting him make the play.

Yes, "get some air under it." But he knows that, and we've seen him do it. This seemed intentional.

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UFR will let us know about the crazy sustained scrambles, but I suspect that your point about being willing to take what's there applies in those situations. I would be shocked if Maryland's zone suddenly got that good.

AlbanyBlue

September 27th, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^

If you buy the theory that Harbaugh is in JJ's head about being more risk-averse -- despite Coach's assertion that he is being hands-off -- then this idea fits well. By erring on the side of throwing long, the chances of an INT are lessened.

That said, I am not buying it this season quite yet:

**JJ could have been nervous in his first conference game

** JJ himself said that the overthrows were due to having 100% arm strength for the first time since the surgery -- and he did correct by completing the last long one to Bell.

** Jim has reportedly said he's hands-off with JJ's development.

The Iowa game will give us more information. I really, REALLY hope Jim is going to let JJ be JJ, mistakes be damned, or at least they will figure out some kind of middle ground. I don't think we have the ground game this season to succeed with the QB play we've had. This season, we need to take the next step in the passing game to replicate 2021 success.

bronxblue

September 28th, 2022 at 9:51 AM ^

I think Maryland's zone defense was really grabby and the refs didn't call it so it stymied some of the throws McCarthy would have made.  But at the same time McCarthy's internal clock maybe needs to be recalibrated a bit because he's done this a couple of times now over the 2 years where he should either get rid of the ball or make a throw but instead he runs around and tries to "make a play" that 1/2 the time works and the other half doesn't, and unfortunately as we saw in this game the time it didn't he fumbled the ball and they blew a shot at scoring in a tight game.

He's learning and I think he'll get there but I also think there's a bit of gloss being put on what was a workmanlike performance that would have gotten other QBs raked more over the coals.

UMForLife

September 28th, 2022 at 1:01 AM ^

I am not sure if they used exactly those words to describe his misses especially Borges. The only thing I heard was that they kept saying narrative would be different if he hit 3/5 deep balls. I listened to Al just a bit ago and I did not hear him defend per se. Sam also said he has seen him for years and he is good at deep ball. Al just described to watch his feet. That is a tell if JJ is not particularly sure if he is going to hit that or not.

bronxblue

September 28th, 2022 at 9:48 AM ^

I'm probably mixing up Gardner and Borges when it comes to the long bombs.  Like I said, I watched both a bit because this was the first game where McCarthy played a legitimate defense so I wanted to hear their analysis.

I think McCarthy did fine in this game and some of those deep shots are always going to be tough.  I just think on my rewatch some of those passes had a lower probability of being completed than maybe was obvious at first blush.

JHumich

September 27th, 2022 at 5:12 PM ^

"TE needs work" isn't something I would have come away with. Guess I need to view it sometime.

Or just wait for the UFR. We are spoiled with a fantastic, weekly education in football.

The Homie J

September 27th, 2022 at 8:28 PM ^

After listening to both Borges last year and this year, one of the things I've taken away is that given enough time, Al knows exactly how to attack most defenses and where the ball should go if the play is executed perfectly.  I think where he struggled was anticipating the team's weaknesses or adjusting in-game and potentially teaching his schemes to the players (which is a difficult and important part of college football, and the reason that many offenses in college opt for super simple schemes and reads).

If given time, he can break down any defense and tell you why and how you do something.  But that's not how playcalling works in the moment and I think that his tenure shows he maybe wasn't great at instilling his knowledge to every player on offense (something I think Harbaugh is a 1000x better at, even with his complicated run game)

ShadowStorm33

September 27th, 2022 at 8:53 PM ^

But that's not how playcalling works in the moment and I think that his tenure shows he maybe wasn't great at instilling his knowledge to every player on offense (something I think Harbaugh is a 1000x better at, even with his complicated run game)

Maybe with the running game, but there have been a number of complaints about Harbaugh making things too complicated on his QBs, which it's thought may have played a big part in the disappointing QB play during most of his time here so far. For example, I have no idea of the reason why, but it's true that a number of his QBs have regressed in their second year starting. Speight in 2017, Shea in 2019, Cade this year. Even Kaepernick got progressively worse after his breakout year taking over for Alex Smith...

MGlobules

September 27th, 2022 at 6:09 PM ^

Not to put too fine a oint on it, because some of them were just bad throws. Which when you're a sophomore redshirt in your second full game throwing for 67 percent already is. . . not something I personally am going to spend too much time being angry about. JJ certainly came back to earth a little, but I think that most people figured that was coming. Lots to learn from the game, and he's an incredibly promising player. 

CompleteLunacy

September 27th, 2022 at 6:29 PM ^

Well I mean, he's talking about a true sophomore QB in his first ever Big Ten start, who made some weird decisions and bad throws that you would expect a new starter to make. Yeah, it was execution. You can't coach every situation ever, sometimes players have to learn on the fly and through experience. The point in saying "execution" is that there isn't anything fundametally wrong/bad about what's going on. JJ can fix the mistakes he made. And he was still effective enough, with his star RB, to score 34 points and win the game. 

M-jed

September 27th, 2022 at 9:34 PM ^

Oh I’m with you on a lot of this. Even my comment to my seat mate was that JJ was throwing abnormally bad long balls but I’m still glad he threw them. I want qb1 getting after it with long attempts - and nobody gets them all. When they hit they’re huge and in the context of this game they weren’t destroying our chances for a win. JJ made the plays he needed and of course Corum won the day. Learn yes, but keep throwing. 
None of this has much to do with Borges but I still stand being my snark on him judging execution. I judge his execution as an OC!

Jonesy

September 27th, 2022 at 5:15 PM ^

My takeaway is JJ's floor is > expected play of every other qb we've had for like 20 years and I'm looking forward to what he does with more experience, against < 8 man coverages, and when he's not uncharacteristically terribly off on deep shots.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 27th, 2022 at 5:32 PM ^

It is pretty cool.  It’s awesome to get his insight and I’m glad WTKA have these segments since it’s a better breakdown that we’ll normally get from someone who has his wealth of experience.  But it’s also telling he is doing this and his last coaching job was one year at UTSA like 4 years ago.  Kind of like how Mike Debord was like an administrator for Olympic sports after he was done at Michigan.

Papabearblue2

September 27th, 2022 at 6:01 PM ^

Yall are on drugs.

JJ was told not to run except when M was behind. It's pretty clear, JJ didnt suddenly forget how to run the zone read or RPO.

That's exactly why our offense looked exactly like last years. Cade COULDN'T run the zone read, so we ran a zone read offense without the read part. Well that's exactly what we did against MD.

It's really not some big secret mystery.

SecretAgentMayne

September 27th, 2022 at 6:14 PM ^

"JJ was told not to run except when M was behind. It's pretty clear, JJ didnt suddenly forget how to run the zone read or RPO."

Or maybe we just forgo the goofy unfounded conspiracy in some weird attempt to constantly pin blame on the coaches for everything and go with the more logical explanation that JJ just screwed up due to inexperience and made some wrong reads? Lol Jesus Christ man.

Papabearblue2

September 27th, 2022 at 6:49 PM ^

"Or maybe we just forgo the goofy unfounded conspiracy in some weird attempt to constantly pin blame on the coaches for everything"

What exactly do you think I'm "blaming" the coaches for here? Calling a winning game? Keeping our QB safe?

I don't think there's anything to "blame" anybody for, that's kinda my point. I think the game could've obviously went a little better but I think we generally had favorable results given the game that was called.

I'm not the one looking for deeper meaning in this. Lol Jesus Christ man.

AlbanyBlue

September 27th, 2022 at 7:13 PM ^

Speculating on a possible piece of the game plan doesn't equate to a "conspiracy theory". JJ was essentially perfect on reads for his career. Then Cade gets hurt, leaving Michigan without a viable backup. Subsequently, JJ looks a lot like Cade on zone read plays. 

Now, it's very possible that JJ was overly nervous and unable to process well in his first Big Ten game. That's why I'm not committing to saying that he was under a Harbaugh directive not to run. That being said, it's also very possible that this is the case, what with seemingly "poor decisions" in the ZR game cropping up (like last year) as well as indecisiveness in the pocket when scrambles were available.

With more data -- the Iowa game, things may become clearer.

Papabearblue2

September 27th, 2022 at 8:28 PM ^

I didn't say JJ played a perfect game, I'm not saying players didn't make mistakes, that's not the point.

The point is that the overall theme of this game was determined by the health of the roster and the quality of our opponent, not so much the individual play on the field.

Yeah, JJ could've hit another deep shot or two and the score wouldve been 50-20 or whatever but all you're really changing is the end score. And that's my point, Michigan was a few mistakes away from this being a total and complete blowout of a good team.

The overall theme of this game was "we played vanilla as shit and even gave up the lead and still lol'ed to a win".

I just think maybe we "chicken little" a little less and "yay we beat a B10 opponent" a little more. Especially when the reason we didn't absolutely dominate looks like it was kinda by choice.

readyourguard

September 27th, 2022 at 7:13 PM ^

Too bad Sam and Devin piled on Cade so much last year.  They particularly liked calling  him out on yards left on the field.

You know what Cade didn't leave on the field?   Fumbles.  But I bet Sam doesn't say shoy about that, because JJs a five star, and Sam only cares about stars.